The FBI informant on Hunter Biden has been charged with lying about Biden’s role in Ukraine. He got caught. There’s been investigations and nothing happened, looking at the elements of the Burisma connection to Hunter Biden and President Joe Biden.
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Mike Papantonio: FBI informant charged with lying about Biden’s role in Ukraine. Well, he got caught. You and I, I know, have such different feelings about Ukraine, and that’s why we do these segments because I respect your opinion and you respect mine. And so it doesn’t make any difference to me really, that this one guy was caught making stuff up about what actually happened. If you just look at the elements of it, and I know there’s been investigations and nothing happened, but I can’t help but look at the elements of the Burisma connection to Hunter Biden and President Biden and Joe Biden.
Farron Cousins: But it’s all based on this guy who admitted in court yesterday now, yeah, I made it all up. None of it’s real.
Mike Papantonio: Was it all based on that though, Farron? That’s where I think you and I very different.
Farron Cousins: That is what the FBI used to launch the investigation. And you had the FBI that said, no, we’re not gonna release whatever the form number is that he had filled out, 1039 maybe, I think something to that effect. And then finally the Republicans said, no, by God, we’re gonna release it because the public needs to know what this man Alexander Smirnov says, and they release it. And oh my God, it’s shocking. This corruption, the bribery taking place, the money changing hands. And this guy says, well actually hold up, uh, no money actually.
Mike Papantonio: I didn’t do it.
Farron Cousins: No money changed hands. He made that up. And if that’s not like the heart of the thing because there’s no issue with a private US citizen working for a foreign company.
Mike Papantonio: Eh, you know.
Farron Cousins: That’s perfectly legal. It may not be ethical, but it’s not illegal
Mike Papantonio: I know it’s legal, Farron. But how do you, the emails, okay, let’s take everything that guy did and throw it out. Now I look at this, I used to be a prosecutor, I look at it like a prosecutor. A very, a typical kind of defense to a criminal case is to create that hearing. Okay, this is what’s important ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Ignore all this other stuff and all this other stuff is, I think it’s important.
Farron Cousins: Well, what is it?
Mike Papantonio: Well, I think you’ve got the emails that took place between Hunter Biden and the Chinese, for example, not Ukraine, but it was the same process. They were energy companies. Okay. How does the president of the United States, and I know your position on this, he goes over, there’s an investigation taking place of Burisma. He goes over in strong arms, and your position is, well, more people did it than just the president.
Farron Cousins: That’s not my position. It’s a fact.
Mike Papantonio: Well, it is a fact. But that’s something you like to say. And I get that.
Farron Cousins: Yes, because it is the global community.
Mike Papantonio: And I like to say this is the President of the United States who’s working for Burisma. He’s on the board of directors, has zero experience, knows nothing about the business, and all of a sudden he’s on the board of directors. Daddy is showing up saying, this mean man who’s going after you needs to be kicked. We need to put him in prison. I don’t care.
Farron Cousins: But Shokin was not going after Burisma. He had not launched an investigation. That didn’t happen. And so Shokin was supposed to be investigating Burisma, but was not and that was part of the corruption because of his alleged ties to the company and he did not want to go after them when he was supposed to. Now, I’ll give you this. Should Hunter Biden have been on the board of literally any business in the world? No.
Mike Papantonio: And brother, by the way. Brother Jim’s also involved in this.
Farron Cousins: What was Jim?
Mike Papantonio: Jim was tied into this.
Farron Cousins: Because I’ve seen his name and I’ve never seen anything beyond Jim Biden. So I would love an explanation as to what did Jim Biden allegedly do?
Mike Papantonio: Jim Biden is tied clearly into the Chinese issue. I mean, clearly.
Farron Cousins: But how?
Mike Papantonio: Emails saying that $10 million is being negotiated for Hunter, $10 million, yeah, $10 million per year. Jim was the go-between on that. There’s so many little parts.
Farron Cousins: That sounds like a business deal.
Mike Papantonio: Eh, come on, brother. Come on.
Farron Cousins: It’s again, not ethical, but not illegal.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah, I know.
Farron Cousins: And we’ve talked about this Hunter Biden thing a thousand times. I don’t think we’ve ever once mentioned Jared Kushner getting $2 billion from Saudi Arabia after this.
Mike Papantonio: Surprise. It’s my next story.
Farron Cousins: I know, because I put it there.
Mike Papantonio: Okay. So, the point being, this isn’t right and this isn’t right. And why can’t we have enough courage to say, hell no, you should not have this worthless dirt bag on the board of a company that you have anything to do with Mr. President. Why would we allow that? Not just Ukraine, but China too. And any way you look at it, it doesn’t pass the smell test. And I’ll give you that. The Kushner thing is no better. It’s no better.
Farron Cousins: Well, listen, just so I can be clear about the Hunter Biden thing, anytime I’ve talked about this guy and mentioned Burisma and all that, I’ve always said he has no, like, this is a job this guy was totally not qualified for. It’s obvious why he was there. The issue is.
Mike Papantonio: Which is why?
Farron Cousins: Because Biden was vice president at the time. We wanted in. Obviously that much is crystal clear. So, I believe that firmly, and I will give you that a hundred percent. But have we been able to tie anything to anything illegal? There’s a lot of grotesque things, but this is not the only informant that has said, I lied.
Mike Papantonio: Okay. Here’s my point to the story that we just talked about. It is that this guy comes forward and we find out he lied. You can’t ignore all the other parts. That’s all I’m trying to say. If I’m prosecuting a case, I expect the defense to do exactly what’s happening here, create a distraction. Okay. This guy lied. All this other stuff, there’s still no answer in my mind, maybe in yours, but there’s no answer in my mind.
