America’s Lawyer E102: The Surgeon General is calling for warning labels on social media so that parents are aware of the threats these sites pose to young users. Documents have revealed that the Pentagon ran a secret anti-vaccine campaign overseas to prevent China from vaccinating people against COVID 19. And President Biden is suffering from a serious lack of support from young voters – and his decision to ban TikTok is a leading culprit. All that, and more is coming up, so don’t go anywhere – America’s Lawyer starts right now.
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Mike Papantonio: Hi, I’m Mike Papantonio, and this is America’s Lawyer. The Surgeon General is calling for warning labels on social media so that parents are aware of the threats these sites might pose to the young users, as if they don’t understand that already. Documents have revealed that the Pentagon ran a secret anti-vaccine campaign overseas to prevent, prevent China from vaccinating its people against COVID-19. And President Biden, well, he’s suffering from a serious lack of support from young voters and his decision to ban TikTok is a leading culprit. All that more, it’s coming up, don’t go anywhere. America’s Lawyer starts right now.
The Surgeon General is calling on Congress to prove warning labels for social media websites and apps, alerting parents that young users have the danger of having mental side effects. I’ve got Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins with me to talk about it. As I read this story, God bless him, Murthy trying to do something. At least trying to do something. I don’t know that it means much, but he’s trying to do something. The real angle on this to me is all they have to do is congressionally act on 230, which is this immunity that these sites have. If they would do away with that, this problem would solve itself.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. And it’s not just doing away with 230. I think we need to amend it just because we don’t want these sites overreacting and saying, okay, well now suddenly we’re liable for any kind of defamation that happens on our platform. So do a little carve out for that and I think we’re good here. But Murthy as the Surgeon General doesn’t have a lot of authority. He really can’t even do what he’s calling for here, which says we need warning labels and he says, but I can’t do it. Congress, I know y’all can’t even get along with each other for five seconds, but you guys really need to do this because we’ve got scientific studies, we’ve got lawsuits out there. All of this mountain of evidence showing that these social media sites are psychologically damaging young users.
Mike Papantonio: Overwhelming. The numbers are overwhelming when you look, well, actually we’re involved in some of those lawsuits. When you look at the documents, most of them understood exactly what they were doing with algorithms. They understood what they were doing with addiction. They used, as a matter of fact, if you take the profile that they used to addict kids to this, same profile they used on tobacco, which was a case we started as well. So I see so many parallels including the parallel to where Congress won’t do what they’re supposed to do. So this Surgeon General is saying, look, at least let me state the obvious that we’re having bad psychological effects that we’re seeing in children because of social media.
Farron Cousins: Well, and what’s even sadder to me is the fact that the Surgeon General didn’t come out and say this in a big grand press conference. He had to write an op-ed.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. New York Times. Right?
Farron Cousins: So he has to sit down, write this out, put it in the New York Times, hoping somebody is gonna see it. But what he’s gotta do is you gotta get louder. You have to be more adamant about things like this and you have to go and address Congress.
Mike Papantonio: We’ve done so many stories on this and of course whenever we say it, we’re called old fuddy duddies, you know, God, the old guys are talking about kids. No. Is there any doubt in your mind when you review all the material we’ve done on this and you take, I don’t know if you’ve followed the lawsuit that we’re actually handling, but I’ve seen, I’m looking at the documents. Is there any doubt that this is having a dramatic effect, the social media in general, it’s having dramatic effect on the mental wellbeing of young kids?
Farron Cousins: Oh, it absolutely is. And like I said, there’s tons of scientific data now proving that this is happening. And to be honest too, and the Surgeon General mentions this, he says, look, part of the issue here too is parents, y’all gotta do your part too. You can’t just wait for Congress or for the Surgeon General to act and say, parents, here’s what you do. Maybe take a little initiative in your kid’s life, keep ’em off the screens for certain times a day. Not all the time, but maybe say, hey, it’s dinner time. Put the social media away. And he mentions that specifically.
Mike Papantonio: Well, I gotta tell you, the 230 is a problem.
Farron Cousins: Oh, it is, it absolutely is.
Mike Papantonio: Maybe me saying do away with it is overkill. It needs to be modified. This was a Clinton gift, you understand.
Farron Cousins: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Mike Papantonio: This is Bill Clinton saying, hey, if you take care of me, I’m gonna give you this. That’s exactly what it was. And they did just the opposite. He said, well, these are gonna be my friends now. They absolutely destroyed his presidency after the Lewinsky issue. But it was his way of saying, hey, I’ve got an in with you guys now. I’ve given you 230. You have this weird immunity that nobody else has, and so life’s gonna be good.
Farron Cousins: Well, and it was almost 30 years ago that that was put in place when the internet was just beginning. And so, obviously with the way it has evolved, the law needs to evolve with it and it hasn’t.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah, exactly.
The Pentagon was so desperate to smear China during the COVID-19 pandemic that they ran a covert anti-vaccine campaign overseas to stop people, stop them from using a Chinese vaccine to protect themselves against potential death. I had to read this a couple of times to think that the Pentagon was capable of doing this. And at the heart of it is they were telling, it moved into Southeast Asia, moved all over the place. And what they were doing with Muslims is saying, this has a pig element to it. We’re using pig fluid in this. And of course, the Muslim, if you’re Muslim, you can’t have anything to do with that. You have to say, well, I can’t let you inject me with anything that comes from a pig. It’s called Haram, I think is the term. It’s something we can’t do. But the CIA planned this. This was, in their mind, this is a really good idea to get back at China. Right?
Farron Cousins: Yeah. They have this, it’s basically a psychological warfare center that’s actually located down in Tampa, Florida. That’s where they cook up all of these crazy ideas.
Mike Papantonio: MacDill Air Force Base.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. And so what they did during COVID was they said, okay, we’re gonna create these fake social media accounts and pretend that we are just average citizens from the Philippines. So we’re gonna go out there, we’re gonna use the hashtag, China virus, don’t trust China. Things like that. And that’s what they did and it actually had a huge profound effect because what they were worried about was, hey, China’s getting some influence in the Philippines. Let’s just make them look bad.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah, exactly.
Farron Cousins: Now, at the same time though, China also used their psychological warfare to try to say that, no, the US created COVID-19 in a lab at a military base in Texas. So it’s this weird, just, I mean, this story is almost too weird for a movie.
Mike Papantonio: I know. Okay. So the idea is we don’t really care how many tens of thousands of people die from COVID. We don’t really care. All we want to do is send the message that China is bad for the Philippines. China is bad for other parts of Southeast Asia. We’re the United States. We’re Pfizer, we make better vaccines. Whatever you do, don’t use this pig, that’s what they were saying, the pig fluid that they had in the vaccine as an adjunct, I suppose. But you know what? I went back and as I was reading this I said, God, what are these people capable of? Well, shortlist, 1953 coup in Iran, where they democratically elected leader, well, they kill that person and put in their person because they want to preserve oil for Exxon.
1961 Bay of Pigs. Okay. Castro takes over. US gets involved and we gotta go kill Castro. And it was a disaster. And we’ve never been able to really take Cuba and bring it into our, in as an ally with us at all. 1965 assassination in the Congo of the Prime Minister, to replace him with the people we wanted in power, because they were better for us on minerals. Our companies could go buy minerals. 1970s, the chaos around that they created for people who were against the, they were standing up against the Vietnam War. And they said, we have to do something about it. So they went out and created chaos with journalists, with students, mass chaos, planting people in there, accusing people of planting bombs, all types of ugly stuff.
1973, Allende in Chile. They kill Allende, put Pinochet. Oh, that was a great idea, right? Put Pinochet in power for the oil companies. 1980s Nicaragua. Okay. They get involved in Nicaragua, remember the cocaine, where they’re actually raising money for the war by the sale of cocaine. So, it’s the Sandinistas that they’re trying to hold down. And I don’t know. This goes on and on. I mean, I could go a list of, we could spend half an hour just talking about this stuff. So what do we do? What do we do? Did the Frank Church Hearings help at all?
Farron Cousins: No.
Mike Papantonio: Talk about that a little bit.
Farron Cousins: I think at this point, we’ve got generations of people, not just a generation, who have no idea what any of that uncovered. All of this malfeasance from the CIA, from the FBI, spying on Americans, being a part of your everyday life without you even knowing it. They have all your info. And at the time, obviously, everybody, oh, this is horrible. This is the worst thing we could imagine. But no reforms. No reforms at all.
Mike Papantonio: Well, Frank Church Hearings were so severe. They brought the CIA and said, you tried to kill, you had a plot to kill journalists. You had engaged in actually spying on legislators in the Senate and the House, you were bugging them. You’re tapping their phones. You’re putting bugs in their office to figure out what they’re talking about. You were so involved with the American democratic process that we had to have the special hearing, and we had to bring you to task and say, at least make it public. But you have an entire generation who knows nothing about the Frank Church Hearings. This list that I just read, there’s no reason that they would know about it. You know, this is the stuff that Howard Zinn would talk about. They don’t even teach this in history class. They don’t talk about the CIA. But this thing in China, Jesus Christ, willing to kill thousands of people so they can say, China’s the bad guy.
Farron Cousins: Right.
Mike Papantonio: By telling them, don’t use Chinese vaccines because it’ll either kill you, make you sick, or, oh, by the way, it has pig material in it.
Farron Cousins: Well, and they went even further too and they said, don’t use masks. Don’t use your face mask made in china.
Mike Papantonio: Really?
Farron Cousins: Don’t use the medical equipment, the respirators made in China.
Mike Papantonio: Really? Now, I didn’t even know that.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. So they were really trying to tell everybody in Southeast Asia don’t trust anything from China. And to a degree, it definitely worked. And again, this was all cooked up down there, Tampa, Florida. And they say it stopped about during, some time during the first year of the Biden administration when people got wind of it. But had that not happened, this would still be going on and I guarantee you, to some degree in some way, this is still happening.
Mike Papantonio: Well, this is was a Trump Biden. I mean, it’s Trump and it was Biden.
Farron Cousins: Yeah.
Mike Papantonio: I mean, this happened during that period of time. And then you’ve got General Dynamics, apparently they’re the smart guys behind all this, and they want a almost $500 million contract to continue this kind of clandestine acting down, I guess, all over Southeast Asia. What an ugly story.
A school district in New Jersey’s been hit with a lawsuit alleging a pattern of anti-semitic behavior and hiring practices at public schools. Wow. So the mayor, Derek Armstead goes as far, well, you pick it up. Pick the story up.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. This is a super disgusting story here out of New Jersey. You’ve got this school district where you have a Jewish teacher, been on the job for a couple years, part of these meetings, superintendent and the mayor. And they’re like, well, we’ve got some higher political ambitions here. We don’t want to just be a mayor. We don’t want just be a school superintendent. So what we need to do is we gotta hire more black people. We gotta hire more Haitian people. Okay. But we’re not gonna hire any more Jewish people. We don’t want the people, what is it, what did they say?
Mike Papantonio: He described big hats and big curls.
Farron Cousins: Yeah.
Mike Papantonio: In other words, he’s talking about Hasidic Jews. We don’t want them anywhere around our politics, because I want to be reelected with Haitians and black individuals that we’ve put in these offices.
Farron Cousins: I think he was actually trying to run for a congressional seat.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. It was, that’s right. It was a congressional seat. But this is DEI just on steroids, isn’t it? I mean, this is where it gets so crazy. But the real truth was this was all for him.
Farron Cousins: Yeah.
Mike Papantonio: This was so I could be Mr. Big and I could win in Congress. So we don’t want Jewish people in these political positions. And he describes them, big hats and big curls, like we don’t know what he’s talking about.
Farron Cousins: Right. And suggested, oh, they might be taking over the neighborhoods near this school district. And we can’t have that. We nneed more black people. We gotta hire all of these Haitians. And then it gets even more racist from there because they say in the meeting, like, well, okay, well, how do we know? And he says, well, somebody there, I don’t know if it was the mayor or somebody else. They said, sometimes you can tell just from the name what color these people are. So this is a Democratic politician who wanted to further his career, who engaged in both this form of racism and pandering, because he says, oh, look, I’m hiring all the black folks here. You’ve gotta vote for me because I’m so great for this community. It’s disgusting and what it does, you do that when you think voters are stupid.
Mike Papantonio: It sounds Republican, doesn’t it?
Farron Cousins: It really does.
Mike Papantonio: But he’s a Democrat. Matter of fact, he’s a Democratic golden boy, apparently up there. The Jewish vote needs to put a ton of money to defeat him. They need to do everything they can to defeat this guy and send a message. And the message is, antisemitism is antisemitism. You can dress it up any way you want. You can’t hide it by the words that you use. But this is, again, just so you can follow this story, follow this guy’s career, which I hope is over, is Armstead, right? Mayor Armstead.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. Derek Armstead, Superintendent of Schools was Atiya Perkins was and Board of Education President is Marlene Berghammer.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Okay. There you go.
Farron Cousins: So, there’s everybody.
Mike Papantonio: The Supreme Court’s overruled a signature accomplishment of the Trump administration by reversing the order that banned bump stocks on non-automatic weapons, that they’re not equivalent to a machine gun. You know, when Trump came out with this, I thought, wow, great job, man.
Farron Cousins: We talked about it.
Mike Papantonio: We did.
Farron Cousins: Said, hey, this is good. I’ve mentioned it in interviews that I have done since Trump has left office, I said, he did ban the bump stocks. You gotta give credit where it’s due. And for the Supreme Court to come out, it was a week ago, and say, no, no, no, we don’t understand things. Clarence Thomas of course wrote the opinion here.
Mike Papantonio: Oh, Clarence Thomas had diagrams and everything about how this is not a machine gun. That the separation is too much between shots. It’s not a machine gun. Really?
Farron Cousins: He said somebody with a fast finger could do the same thing, which is not even how the guns work.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. But in Las Vegas, that same gun killed 58 people and it wounded 500. And so what’s the difference? It wasn’t a machine gun, but the guy, as fast as he could pull his trigger, it was killing people.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. Because the bump stock that uses the recoil to.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Supreme Court says, ah, I don’t know. I don’t think that’s a problem.
Farron Cousins: Well, what gets me about this, is during Trump’s years, there’s two things that I always say, like, he did two good things. One was the bump stock ban, which of course the courts have now overturned. The second good thing that he did, which was overturned years ago, was remember the order he put out that said that drug companies had to put the prices in their commercials?
Mike Papantonio: Yes, yes, yes.
Farron Cousins: I don’t want to give him too much credit, but you do give credit where it’s due. That was good.
Mike Papantonio: Well, full disclosure, you beat the hell out of Trump just about every day of the year.
Farron Cousins: Yeah.
Mike Papantonio: So, okay. But, every now and then, you gotta say, okay, well, this happened. Now if I say it, it’s like, oh my God, Pap’s a Trumper. He’s gone right. He’s a right winger. I mean, where do these flakes come from? Where do they come from?
Farron Cousins: But this is why the courts, especially the lower courts matter so much, and people need to pay more attention because.
Mike Papantonio: Oh, the lower courts.
Farron Cousins: We had Obama put out some good labor rules that were overturned by judges he put in office. Trump does these two good things overturned by judges he put in office. They’re so blind to think that, oh, this person’s a Republican, or this person’s a Democrat, so it’s a good pick for me.
Mike Papantonio: Or that it’s all I have to worry about is the presidency, Jesus Christ, that is so minor compared to what the courts are able to do. And that’s, I’m not just talking about Supreme Courts. I’m talking about appointments, the appellate courts, all below the Supreme Court. Even the trial, the trial courts, some of the appointments that I’ve seen Biden make, I mean, when I compare ’em to even George Bush’s appointments, the appointments I’m seeing with Biden are horrendous. They’re coming from silk stocking defense firms. Huge defense firms. Thousands of lawyers billing billions of dollars and these folks are coming from those law firms. They’ve never represented an injured victim at all. They’ve never represented consumers at all. They’ve represented corporations. They have nothing in common with the average person out there. But those are the people that are being appointed because they’re from big defense firms who gave big money to both Democrats and Republicans. Mostly to Democrats though.
Farron Cousins: Well, talking about not having the kind of experience, not dealing with actual human beings. I guarantee you Clarence Thomas has never talked to anyone that was present at that Las Vegas shooting where the bump stock was used.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah, for sure.
Farron Cousins: I have a friend of mine who was there,
Mike Papantonio: Well, my friend represented, my friend handled that case.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. And it’s these people still have PTSD from and will probably forever. It was a traumatic experience and if those people could have told their stories, I don’t know that it would’ve had an effect on Clarence Thomas, but perhaps on the lower courts, maybe. I don’t know.
Mike Papantonio: You almost had to work to get that decision. I mean, you had to do metaphysical gymnastics to get there.
Generation Z voters are furious that President Biden signed the bill to ban TikTok, and they’re now turning against the man who they helped win in 2020. Okay. Let’s back up. This story is such an important story. You had in the last election cycle, you had folks that were hugely organized, and they were going online, and they were trying to defeat Trump and have Biden elected because Biden was making them all these promises. If you do this, I’m gonna take care of the oil industry. He did just the opposite. If you do this, I’m gonna give you access to whatever you, there’s been no access. If you do this, I’m going to open up this notion of freedom of speech. Just the opposite. So that’s what they’re reacting to. I mean, those things I just said are right here in this article from quotes from people who in the last cycle, yeah, I worked for the guy. They are abandoning him. Generation Z on this process is completely abandoning Joe Biden. And it’s not just age or this sense of dementia. It’s a lot more involved.
Farron Cousins: It’s amazing that it is so policy focused with this young generation because that’s something we typically do not see.
Mike Papantonio: I love to see it.
Farron Cousins: Yeah.
Mike Papantonio: I mean, don’t you?
Farron Cousins: It’s great, because they’re paying attention to Israel and Gaza, and they say, look, we’re not pleased with what you are doing to exacerbate these issues over there. We don’t like that you are completely ignoring the issue of climate change and I know some people are gonna disagree with me on that issue, but on the whole, on the bigger picture, we are not doing nearly enough. But these young voters, more importantly, were recruited by the Biden campaign. And once he got in office, he had them meet at the White House. I wasn’t a part of the meeting. I actually happened to be in DC, visiting with my family outside the White House and I saw this group of people out there. I was like, what is, this is weird. And then I followed these.
Mike Papantonio: Didn’t you do story on this?
Farron Cousins: Yeah, I follow them on social media and saw them posting their pictures, said, oh my God. These are social media people that they’ve got at the White House with Biden. So by sheer coincidence, I happen to see it happen. But they embraced them. They promised we’ll give you $83,000 a year and now they’re turning their backs on him.
Mike Papantonio: Well, okay. They’re turning their back. Now the best analysis, Alaina Wood, okay. This is a very well respected media creator. She’s all over the media creating her own material. And so she was very vocal and for Biden last time. And you know what she says? She said, I’m not gonna take their propaganda just because they demand that I take their propaganda. I’m gonna think for myself. I’m not gonna praise you constantly, Mr. Biden, President Biden. I’m not gonna do all of your bidding for you. I’m not like some empty headed buffoon who you spoon-fed me and I’m gonna go say it. I love that because that’s what you’re seeing with these Generation Z types that are saying, look, I gave it my best shot. You were a disappointment. You still are a disappointment. But the TikTok thing. That is, I guess if we go in an order, TikTok is really one of the big issues. You’re banning free speech. Then it gets to the climate issue. I mean, they’re thinking about, they’re actually analyzing, these are promises that were made by Biden, and this is what’s actually happening and they are just leaving in droves.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. They wanted a transformational leader. They didn’t want a bridge. Right. And that’s what we were told in 2020, hey Biden, he’s not perfect, but he’s gonna get us over to the next person. Okay. He even said that in the campaign. I’m gonna be a one term guy. He told us that. I did a video on it when he said that. And okay, well.
Mike Papantonio: Oh no, people will comment on this segment, he didn’t say that. Hell, yes. I’m a one term guy because he knew he was gonna be the oldest president in the history of this country at 81, 82 and 83 years old. So he said, I’m only here for one term.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. That was during the Democratic primary back before he ran away with it. And that’s, I did a video and I said, listen, he’s telling us he’s gonna be one term. So let’s not invest in that. Let’s invest in somebody that can do two years, or two terms, excuse me. But it also kind of kills me here that this report does mention the fact that of the left-leaning people on YouTube and TikTok, which I’m part of that, said only about 25% of them are occasionally critical of Biden.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah.
Farron Cousins: So you got 75% of these people that are still.
Mike Papantonio: Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, it’s all the blue hearts, vote Democrat, vote Democrat. I mean, they’re being paid to do that. They show up on our site, and of course we get rid of ’em because all it is, is just trolls. You can see it immediately, the big blue hearts, it’s like they’ll put 20 blue hearts, vote Democrat. It’s gonna take more than that. It’s gonna take, as this woman Alaina Wood said, give us something to work with. Okay. Don’t spoon-fed us zombie-like propaganda and expect us to deliver just because you’re going to invite us to the White House for dinner. That’s kind of it. You know, we’re gonna have access to Biden if I say the right things and she says, screw that, I’m not willing to do it. And a lot of people in Generation Z are saying the same thing.
Farron Cousins: Well, and that’s honestly part of the problem too, is you’ve got too many of these influencers who just want that, oh my God, look at me. I’m getting a picture with Biden.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah, exactly.
Farron Cousins: It’s sickening. Look, we don’t get invited to any of these political things and we’ve been doing this for 20 years now.
Mike Papantonio: Right. And we don’t want to.
Farron Cousins: Exactly.
Mike Papantonio: I mean, it’s not our, it’s not my goal to say, hey, I got a picture of Biden. I got a picture of Trump. Who the hell cares? I know a lot of people think that’s important, but you’ve got a whole bunch of these Zers that are saying, oh hell, I’ll say anything. Just invite me to the Christmas dinner or whatever the hell.
Farron Cousins: Yeah. And look, I’ve said before as it stands right now, I’m going for Biden.
Mike Papantonio: I know you are.
Farron Cousins: But I’m absolutely not gonna not criticize him when he deserves it.
Mike Papantonio: Well, they see you most of the time, let’s call it what it is, every day you’re going after Trump because there’s so much to talk about.
Farron Cousins: Exactly.
Mike Papantonio: I’m not complaining about that because I own this network and I support that. I support you going after him. But at the same time, we can’t be zombies and just spoon-fed propaganda and have these snowflakes get mad at us every time we talk. I don’t really care. I mean, literally when our people see blue heart, blue heart, blue heart, blue heart, vote Democrat, that’s gone. It’s gone from our site. We don’t want ’em back. I don’t want to, I want people to think. I want ’em to listen to what you say about Trump and critically think about it. I want ’em to listen to what both of you and I say in a segment like this and think about it. God forbid, huh? Farron Cousins, thanks for joining me. Okay.
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Suspicious Activity: That it had helped dirty money flow through its branches around the world, including at least 800. Plaintiffs allege that the defendants provided money and medical goods to terrorist groups, Hezbollah and Jaysh al-Adl. This is a well organized business for these individuals that carry out these attacks. Terrorism is a business and they run it like a business. They knew about what was going on for a decade. They absolutely, absolutely no question about it knew that HSBC was washing money. They had every reason to understand it was for terrorism and it was for drug cartels. Took no action whatsoever.
These banks are involved, their accounts are connected, and they’re using them to mask the transactions. The more complicated they can make the transactions, the more distance they could put between the bad guys and a seemingly legitimate purpose of these funds. They pay $1.9 billion, which is a drop in the bucket compared to what they’ve made. And nobody goes to prison. These CEOs, these bankers that made this decision, they’re safe at home. They know what they’ve done. They know it’s resulted in the death of Americans, contractors and soldiers, not just hundreds but thousands. And we look the other way because they don’t look like criminals. The die cast, the people that are responsible for it, are on Wall Street. And they don’t look like criminals. It’s almost a suspension of disbelief. Sometimes I’ll have people call me and say, is this, is this real? Do they really get away with this? Yeah, they do.
