Democrats in Massachusetts have a proposal for prison inmates: Give up your internal organs and we’ll reduce your sentence. Also, a leader at the Church of Scientology has disappeared after authorities tried to serve him with a child trafficking lawsuit. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss more.


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Mike Papantonio: Okay. Democrats in Massachusetts have a proposal for prison inmates. That is give up your internal organs, give us your liver, give us whatever you can give us, give us your bone marrow and we’re gonna reduce your sentence. Wow. Wow. Okay. Look, first of all, they, they reduce their sentence between 60 days and a, in a year. Right. I guess it’s, what you give up, you give up your lungs, we’re gonna give you, ah, that’ll be 30 days. You know, I don’t know. It’s, it’s a crazy story. It seems like a public health story too, doesn’t it? I mean, with the, the chance of, of HIV and hepatitis and I mean, I don’t know. It just doesn’t sound like it’s, it’s kosher. But go ahead.

Farron Cousins: Well, and it’s very disturbing too that this story is not more widespread because this, this is a, a big thing. It is a real piece of legislation that the Democratic controlled legislature in Massachusetts has put forward. And they say, oh, we’re gonna help out the poor prisoners. We’re gonna help out the population. All you gotta do is, hey, you know, you got two years left on your sentence. Give us your kidney and you’re down to one year. I mean this, the, the board, the national board that oversees organ transplants here in the United States is basically begging Massachusetts, please for the love of God, don’t do this.

Mike Papantonio: Don’t do this. Yeah.

Farron Cousins: This is dangerous and stupid. We don’t want your prison organs. And you can’t coerce people like this to give it up.

Mike Papantonio: Well, people can give them up anyway. But the idea of, you know, isn’t there, there’s a law that says you can’t give up one of your organs in exchange for compensation. Well, I think it’s a hell of a compensation when you say, hey, you know, give me your right kidney and we’re gonna, we’re gonna reduce your sentence by a year. And it’s, it’s got, it’s such a moving target that I wonder whether it’s ever gonna be held constitutional. It, I found an article was related to it. This is done by the Lever. You love this news site, don’t you?

Farron Cousins: I really do.

Mike Papantonio: Lever.

Farron Cousins: One of my favorites.

Mike Papantonio: And, and, okay, so it says in 1942, a professor at Harvard medical school injected 64 Massachusetts prisoners with cow’s blood to see, just to see what was, can they live on cow’s blood? And the point is, sometimes with this type of science, we get ahead of ourselves. This cat at Harvard, he got way over, way ahead of hisself and killed 64 prisoners to see if they could live with cow’s blood.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. I think the moral of the story is don’t go to jail in Massachusetts.

Mike Papantonio: No, no, no.

Farron Cousins: Because you’re gonna, you’re gonna have some bad medical.

Mike Papantonio: Or else have some extra organs if you do.

Mike Papantonio: A leader at the Church of Scientology has disappeared after authorities tried to serve him with a child trafficking lawsuit. Farron, you and I have done plenty of stories on this cult of crazies. That’s what it is. It’s not a church, it’s not a religious organization. It is a cult of maniacs. And nevertheless, we give them, we give them a tax break. They don’t have to pay taxes. Now this guy that, that’s running the entire organization is on the run. He’s hiding out because of this lawsuit that’s been brought by a Florida lawyer down in South Florida. Go ahead.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. And, and we actually, we talked about the lawsuit really just a couple weeks ago.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: You basically, you have these children, some as young as you know, five and six years old, they get pulled into the church with their families and the, well, I don’t wanna call it a church. The Scientologists put them to work.

Mike Papantonio: A cult.

Farron Cousins: Scrubbing boats, cleaning hotel rooms, doing all kinds of horrible things for no pay at all. Basically using them as child labor. They’ll take away any documents they have so that they cannot escape. They’re trapping these people. It is human trafficking.

Mike Papantonio: Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins: Just through an organization that most people in this country somehow view as legit. It’s disturbing.

Mike Papantonio: Well, I mean, okay, so it starts in California. You would, no surprise there. It’s the hub of crazy. So it starts in, starts in California and then Florida, second hub of crazy. It builds its second big monstrosity of an organization in, in Florida. But as it’s doing it, you understand what they’re doing as they build is you brought in the Scientology, you give me everything you’ve got. You may not have any contact with your family. If you have an inheritance, you give it to me. A lot of the money they make is from that. The second big bit of money is, is they don’t pay taxes on anything.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: Because for some reason they’ve been, it’s been determined that they’re somehow a, a religion. It is a cult of crazy. What I think is interesting, L. Ron Hubbard, who started this whole thing, started it on a pretty good premise. And that is the American and international psychology has become a, a, a dirt pit. That it doesn’t work. It’s, you know, we’ve made it into something that it’s not, that it shouldn’t be. So he starts attacking the, the, the, area of psychology. The discipline of psychology. And he builds his entire structure around that. L. Ron Hubbard was the guy. He ends up spending his life on a boat because he’s running from the law all over the world. Right?

Farron Cousins: Yeah. And.

Mike Papantonio: Sea Org.

Farron Cousins: Well, and, and, and another part of it too is that, you know, we talk about how we in the US give them this tax exempt status, most countries in Europe don’t even recognize it as a religion anymore.

Mike Papantonio: Exactly.

Farron Cousins: They have stripped them of any status they may have had because they understand this isn’t a religion. You’re not even really praying to a, a deity of any kind. You don’t really believe in anything.

Mike Papantonio: Oh, L. Ron Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbard is their deity.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: I mean, if you’re gonna have a deity, it’s L. Ron Hubbard, who by the way, was all, always having to run because he was, he had so many fraud cases against him.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: The criminal fraud cases against him that he had to live on a boat and he started something called Sea Org. And this whole thing is where, this is where we are. I, I would think that, that that’s where we’re gonna find David.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: You know, David is on the run right now because he understands that these charges are, are, are big.

Farron Cousins: David, who by the way, actually served as the best man for one of Tom Cruise’s weddings, I think his second wedding, maybe.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Okay. So it’s a real easy solution. And here’s what I hope happens. You, you could, you can yank, you can, you, you can yank their tax exemption. You can get judgements against them. This is exactly what we’re doing with Iran in the terrorist cases. They hold, they have a lot of holdings all over the world, a lot of ’em in the United States. So we get judgements against them for what took place with, with terror groups that have killed American citizens. So we get, we get judgements against ’em. We sell their property. We, we put, we get possession of their bank, bank accounts. And so there’s all these things that they’re able, that we’re able to do, if somebody would show enough courage and just pull the trigger on this, and it doesn’t have to be a criminal event. This, if this civil case turns out to be what I think it is, this is serious stuff.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. And, and I think it’s, people should understand how serious it is. If it wasn’t serious, this guy wouldn’t be on the run right now trying to evade authorities. I mean, they went to his office and security refused to let them in to just serve the lawsuit.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. 37 times.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. 37 times.

Mike Papantonio: 37 times.

Farron Cousins: So he, he knows, he knows he’s done for, I think.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Let’s hope, let’s hope they get, let’s hope they get him. But more importantly, let’s hope they close this cult of crazies down, because that’s all it is. It’s just taking advantage of people all over the world right now. Thank you for joining me. Okay.

Farron Cousins: Thank you.

Mike Papantonio: That’s all for this week. But all of these segments are gonna be available this week right here on this channel. And you can follow us on Twitter @AmericasLawyer. I’m Mike Papantonio and this has been America’s Lawyer, where every week we tell you the stories that corporate media won’t tell you because their advertisers don’t allow for it. Or their political connections are just so strong and they’re so tribal that they won’t allow for the story to be told. We’ll see you next time.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.