Mike Pence is challenging Ron DeSantis for the title of Lead Culture Warrior for the Republican Party. But DeSantis won’t go down without a fight, which could end Pence’s political career that is already on life support. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss more.


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Mike Papantonio: Mike Pence is challenging Ron DeSantis for the title of the lead culture warrior for the Republican Party. But DeSantis, well, he’s not gonna go down without a fight. He’s bought into everything that is nothing less than a culture war, pitting this group against that group, white against black. You know, that’s where it begins. Religious against non-religious, southern against northern. That is what DeSantis is up to. But Pence, he knows it works. So he’s jumping in. What do you think?

Farron Cousins: Yeah, Mike Pence, you know, he comes from the old school evangelical Republican party. Ron DeSantis is kind of the new school. We’re still religious, but, you know, we’re, we’re not leaning on that anymore. So it really is a fight right now between new and old. And Pence comes from the, the early days of the culture war. He was around when this stuff started. He was a conservative radio host forever. So he has pushed it since before DeSantis even thought about running for office.

Mike Papantonio: He loved Atwater. He loved Lee Atwater.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: He loved Donald Segretti. He loved the fact that the culture war was winning both, both sides, at some point. I mean, you had Democrats and Republicans were using the culture war. You had, you had Bush with the, the queen, with the welfare queen.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: You had the, the, the announcement in Philadelphia, Mississippi, one of the, what was one, regarded as one of the most racist places on the planet where Reagan launches his presidential campaign. And, and you had, you had advisors that had worked for the Democrats. I mean, telling ’em, yeah, this is gonna work here. Go ahead and do it. The point is, you know what, I don’t know. I think between the two Pence is so boring. I mean, I sometimes, you almost wanna put a, a mirror under his nose to see if there’s any condensation. See if he’s got any life in him. It’s kind of a mismatch. It’s a mismatch, 6% versus a real contender.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. I think he’s in the forties at this point, DeSantis is. Not to mention the fact, you know, the Capitol rioters, when they went on January 6th, they were marching around chanting hang Mike Pence. So I don’t know who Mike Pence thinks his base is.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah, yeah.

Farron Cousins: But the people who supported Trump hate him.

Mike Papantonio: He is so.

Farron Cousins: So he’s, he’s already lost that group. Moderate Republicans, they’ve already moved on to Nicki Haley and actually Ron DeSantis. So I don’t know who Pence is pandering to.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: We know he’s eventually gonna announce he’s running. So is DeSantis.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: But I think Pence is, is DOA in this race. I don’t even think he’s a factor.

Mike Papantonio: He’s not, he’s not. The guy is so boring. How in the world he did a radio show, you know, you tell me.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.