Union-busting is big business in the United States – and there’s a massive, $340 MILLION DOLLAR industry fighting against worker’s rights. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss more.


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Mike Papantonio: Union busting is big, big business in the United States, and there’s a massive $340 million industry fighting against workers’ rights. This $340 million that they came up with is probably so understated because they, they can only follow so much about how, how all this takes place. But this fund of money, it’s, what I find is interesting about this story, Farron, is they finally figured out that the union busting business, they’re using the same old tactics, intimidation, firing, closing stores, personal attacks. But now they, they’ve come up with this, they call it the new language of union busting. They’ve hired these law firms, Jones Day, for example. You know, go, first of all, go read the book about Jones Day. It’s an awful, awful law firm. But they, they represent corporate America. You know, if there’s something ugly to be done, bring in Jones Day. Jones Day are the people that are kind of, they head this kind of thing up. But talk about that new language, the new way that we’re going to talk about union busting.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. It’s, you know, we’re a family. They’re trying to invoke, and Starbucks is one of the worst with this because Starbucks likes to pretend, we’re this big progressive group. We love diversity, we love, you know, different people. So how could you say that we are treating you unfairly? We’re family. We’re brothers and sisters here. We love you and we take care of you. We’re doing so many good things. So it’s that almost guilting you into thinking, well, I can’t, I can’t go against my, my family here. And so they’re psychologically manipulating these people. And they do, they hire these psychologists.

Mike Papantonio: Yes.

Farron Cousins: To help them craft the language and learn how to manipulate these people. It’s truly disturbing.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. One thing that you’re, you’re going at these, all these folks that are new immigrants from Guatemala and Mexico, you’re putting their lives in danger because they’re coming here to the United States to get a job. And you doing this, you’re interfering with that, that new worker that’s a part of the new workforce, you’re interfering with their ability to send that money. It’s stuff like that and it’s coming out of people. I mean, you know what the embarrassing thing about this, the American Bar Association.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: You know, of course I’m not a member. I don’t, I don’t have any allegiance to it. There’s, people don’t understand in the, in the lawyering business, there’s the American Bar Association that is represented, they represent corporate America. All the silk stocking, you know, the, the Jones Day types. The, the big silk stocking law firms. And then on the other side, you have a group, the trial lawyers. It’s a, it’s an organization not, almost separate and apart, because it’s almost like, that polarization of the two. But the American Bar Association is really big into this, aren’t they?

Farron Cousins: Yeah, they are. They, they’ve actually teamed up with the US Chamber of Commerce. And their whole big thing is trying to undo, like one of the few good things Obama did, he put in new rules to kind of strengthen the National Labor Relations Board.

Mike Papantonio: Right.

Farron Cousins: With overtime pay and things like that. So that a bar association along with the Chamber of Commerce have joined their evil forces together to fight all of these things. They’re spending huge money on lobbying, you know, reaching out to these law firms that are already a part of the ABA and trying to get it all undone, just so corporations can squeeze more out of the workforce.

Mike Papantonio: And the American Bar Association has more folks that are heading up that effort. It’s embarrassing to me. I mean, you know, I have no kinship with the American Bar Association at all. So the, the point is this, it’s that language that’s so nauseating to me. We’re a big family. You know, let’s, let’s not, let’s be, let’s be kind to each other. Just if you do this, how about Joe who works, you know, he’s working nights. He’s trying to go to college. You’re gonna ruin his life. They have figured out, because as you say, they focused it.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: And they’ve focused and focused and say, how can we make these people feel guilty? Let’s go ahead and borrow woke language. Okay. That’s what, let’s borrow woke language and let’s use it against these folks. And Amazon, you know, they’re masters of it. Starbucks is masters of it. And it’s amazing to me that all the corporations now, that’s the route that they’re going.

Farron Cousins: And the consultants, the lobbyists, the lawyers and the psychologists, they hold seminars.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: For these corporations to attend, to learn how to do this. It is, it is an industry in and of itself, and nobody even really knows it’s being, it’s being operated.

Mike Papantonio: Love speak. How, learn how to do love speak to destroy a union. The, the awful people who are trying to put together a union, love speak, let’s be kind to each other.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.