America’s Lawyer E30: Pranksters on Twitter were able to wipe out billions of dollars for some of the worst companies in America – and it only cost them 8 dollars to do it. We’ll tell you what happened. The United States is provoking China by deploying nuclear-capable bombers to let the country know what we can do. This isn’t going to end well. And the 2024 Republican Presidential race is shaping up to be a bloodbath between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. All that, and more is coming up, so don’t go anywhere – America’s Lawyer starts right now.


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Mike Papantonio:             Hi, I’m Mike Papantonio, and this is America’s Lawyer. Pranksters on Twitter were able to wipe out billions of dollars for some of the worst companies in America and it only cost them $8 to do it. We’ll tell you how that happened. The United States is provoking China by deploying nuclear capable bombers to let the country know what we can do. Yeah, we can start a nuclear war. And the 2024 Republican presidential race is shaping up to be a bloodbath between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. All that more. Don’t go anywhere. America’s Lawyer starts right now.

Some clever Twitter users managed to wipe out billions worth of major US corporation stock by pretending that the companies were actually doing something good. God forbid they should do something good, Farron. But joining me to talk about that is Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins. Yeah, that’s the irony that you said, before the show, that, that God forbid they should do something like give out insulin for the right price. Right? Pick it up from there.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. So, once they unveiled Twitter Blue last week, which has already been suspended, but people were able to buy the little blue check mark to make it look like it was an official account.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  So the pranksters, the smart folks, I gotta say they’re not just pranksters, they’re very smart. They buy these handles that make it look like we’re Eli Lilly or Lockheed Martin. They get on there, they tweet, Eli Lilly says, we’ve, we’re announcing insulin is now free for everybody. Lockheed Martin, the fake account tweets out, we’re gonna stop selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. And immediately the stock market freaks out. Both of these companies just saw, I mean, you look at the charts, it’s just an immediate drop. $15 billion in wealth wiped out.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  With people who spent $8, killed these companies for a day.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, it was impersonation scam they went on. It was fairly sophisticated, but it was well done. And, you know, to me that is the message. Can you imagine that Eli Lilly, who we’ve sued so many times, they’re, they’re just one of the corrupt drug companies. I’ve been across the table in depositions with these folks wondering, am I gonna make it outta here because I’m surrounded by sociopaths on the other side of the table? That’s how these companies think. But God forbid, I mean, you know, what is it a thousand, it was 10,000, 10000% markups sometimes that we see drug companies, 2000, 10,000, 5,000 markup. We, the latest story was on COVID vaccine where they wanna raise 10000% increase.

Farron Cousins:                  Yep.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay. Well, that’s nobody’s fault, is nobody’s fault except Congress. Okay. They could stop it immediately. They could, they could end all of this immediately. But what I loved about this story is it called attention to the fact of just what money grubbers these folks are. And God forbid somebody should do something good, which is what these stories were. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, absolutely. And, and it, to me, it also shows that guess what the public, I, I know we, we always talk about, it feels like people don’t pay attention, what they posted on these fake Twitter accounts, it shows that there are people who pay attention.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  There are people who do understand what Lockheed Martin is doing, what Eli Lilly, what Nestle is doing.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  There was another Nestle one, and God, you and I have gone hours talking about the, Nestle might be the worst company on the planet.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  And people are understanding that and they’re calling these companies out with this, you know, blue check mark, which I think is brilliant. I like it.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. I think sometimes on this show we do, we do wonder, is it getting through, because some of these stories that we do, corporate media doesn’t do.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             And the, but you have people out there that are so smart. I mean, they are, they’re brilliant and they find the backstory. And I’m always really happy about that. And this is a good example.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             You had to know the backstory to pull this off. And every now and then, you know, sometimes it’s frustrating. We do stories and we go, God, is anybody listening? Because corporate media’s not telling the story. But the, the further I look, and this is a great example, people are paying attention.

Farron Cousins:                  It, it gives me hope. I, I know everybody, you know, oh, is Twitter gonna tank, is Twitter gonna, this isn’t even really a Twitter story. This is a story about, there’s people out there that are paying attention to the abuses of corporations. They’re calling them out and look, again, they spent 16 bucks combined and they wiped out 15 billion in wealth for these evil companies.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Twitter is, Twitter is not going anywhere. Can,

Farron Cousins:                  Right, it’s not.

Mike Papantonio:             I can promise you they’re not going anywhere. I saw a great a quote. I forgot what magazine it was. Comedy is legal again on Twitter. And that’s kind of the new, that, that’s kind of the new feel I think that Musk is looking for. You know, again, I know you’re no fan, I’m no fan of Elon Musk, but something had to be done. And I think maybe this shakeup does, does help in a lot of ways.

Farron Cousins:                  I think once he steps away from it and lets other people start doing things, it, it’ll go back and there’s room for expansion, there’s room to do great things.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  But again, I, I am, I’m, I got no complaints right now because this is hilarious what we’re watching happen.

Mike Papantonio:             Let’s hope it continues.

The city of Oakland, California is hoping to use armed robots to kill suspects in the near future. All right. This story is just another story about the weaponization of local police, isn’t it? We’ve done this story so many times. You know, Barney Fife gets in a new tank. Barney Fife gets a rocket launcher in some, you know, podunk town in the middle of Mississippi or Florida or Alabama. So, so this is kind of one of those deals, isn’t it? They, they have this thing that is designed for a certain use, but now they wanna arm. It this robot they want to arm and put actual active, dangerous.

Farron Cousins:                  I, I know it’s, it, it’s not funny, but it is kind of funny because you really do have these cops. They get all these toys, these weapons of war from the, you know, military program that sends the surplus out to police officers and say, okay, well we got this little, it’s described as basically a Roomba with tank treads on it. And it’s supposed to be used to go in and disarm bombs.

Mike Papantonio:             Right, right.

Farron Cousins:                  But the cops in Oakland say, okay, but what if, what if we put a shotgun on it? This is real. Like, what if we just put a shotgun on it and I’ve got the remote control. I can go in here like I’m playing a game and just shoot the bad guys with my Roomba robot.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. And I can make the decision to do that. I ought to have the autonomy to make the decision, are they a threat? Because we’re using active weapons, active ammunition right now. Now, so, so where this started was this started with what they call a pan disruption cam, it’s a, it’s a robot that’s designed to do things like, you know, shoot heavy amount of water to disarm or various things they can use to disarm somebody who might be holed up in a house, for example. But now it came up at one of the council meetings, somebody raised, hey, can’t we just arm it with shotgun shells and just take ’em out? I don’t think it’s gonna go anywhere, at least, at least for a little while. But I would hate to think that some cat out there saying, I don’t think we can do anything about getting them outta that corner in the house. Let’s go ahead and blow ’em away. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Well, and, and it, and it shows how stupid this overall program is. I, I forget the names, is it the 538 program, something like that.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Five. Yeah. It is, where the military sells their.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. And, and the reason we even have that program is because these military contractors like Lockheed Martin.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  They wanna sell the new stuff.

Mike Papantonio:             The new stuff. Right.

Farron Cousins:                  So they’ve convinced the government, hey, give the, give last year’s stuff to these cops.

Mike Papantonio:             If you’ll look at it, it was, when it first started, it was actually the manufacturers, the designers of these weapons that were giving them to ’em. And then it said, well, why don’t you military give ’em your old stuff so you can buy some new stuff from us?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s all about the weapons industry, getting their ugly hands on more money.

The United States is inching closer to a nuclear war by sending nuclear capable bombers to Australia to threaten China. Now you weren’t, you weren’t around when we had to jump under our seats in school and we were supposed to get under our seats because there’s gonna be a nuclear blast, and that was gonna save our lives. They, if you talk to anybody about what it is, the earth will be gone in less than 14 minutes. Okay. Now, all these freaks that I used to call, you know, they, oddly enough, progressives, democrat progressives used to be the ones that were saying, whoa, slow down here. Right now we have an administration that is not walking but running to force us into nuclear holocaust. There’s no other way to put it. And so, so, so pick it up from there. I, I don’t think I’m overstating this a bit. This is what this administration is doing.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, yeah. It is absolutely terrifying. So the plan is we’re gonna build this new facility down in Australia with the cooperation of the Australian government, and it’s going to house multiple B-52 bombers with the nuclear capabilities. And we’re doing this so we can be closer to China, of course, without having to do it here on the US soil. We’re, we’ll endanger Australia for it.

Mike Papantonio:             Oh, they’ll, they’ll, their tip of the spear. They’re gone, they are vaporized.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And if I’m in Australia, we have a lot of folks that follow this show in Australia.

Farron Cousins:                  We do.

Mike Papantonio:             If you’re watching this right now, we are not overstating this. This is an administration that is dead set on poking the bear to the point that we’re this close to nuclear Armageddon. Okay. And, and if you’re ignoring that, you’re doing it at your own peril. This is serious stuff right here.

Farron Cousins:                  It, it really isn’t. And, you know, so far we have seen President Biden take very aggressive stances towards China, bordering on, this is crazy. And this week, of course, he did meet with Xi Jinping. They were at the summit. Things didn’t go wonderfully. They said there’s still a lot of tension between the two.

Mike Papantonio:             Oh my God.

Farron Cousins:                  There’s still no agreements on the big issues. About the only thing they could agree on is maybe we’ll work together on some climate goals, which is great, but if you start a nuclear war, climate doesn’t matter anymore because we’re all going to be dead.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, let me tell you something. This ain’t JFK. This is, we don’t have John F. Kennedy that’s trying to fix this. We have an 80 year old man with borderline dementia that doesn’t understand the weapons industry is pushing and pushing, the Pentagon is pushing and pushing. It’s like they don’t give a. The idea of isolated nuclear involvement is absurd. If you talk to anybody, there’s people that they’ve spent their entire adult career studying this. They say, we last the entire earth lasts 14 minutes if this starts. So why in the hell, maybe you can help me with this, because you’re closer to that progressive side than I am. I’m not out there. I’m not a Democrat. I’m not a Republican. I just call balls and strikes. Doesn’t this scare the hell out of you just a little bit?

Farron Cousins:                  It, it really does. And, and honestly, I do think a lot of progressives are also terrified of this. I mean, this, you know, Common Dreams is, is a hugely progressive group. They’re the ones calling this out here. And what we have to understand is that we’re at the moment, the aggressors.

Mike Papantonio:             We absolutely are.

Farron Cousins:                  We are the ones putting these weapons close to China as a threat.

Mike Papantonio:             There is no more one China. Remember the discussion used to be the one China.’.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And that we could talk about it. Now Biden’s made it clear, there’s no one, there’s no one China. Remember they had to talk Biden back. Biden was going off the cliff talking about what he was gonna do to China. That’s right after Pelosi made her visit, destabilized China even more. What in the hell are the Democrats doing. Now, Farron, you know me, I, I don’t have allegiance to either party. I, I, I swear to God I don’t. I ain’t, I, you know, you know what I think of Trump. You know what I think of the Democrats. I’m just trying to look down the middle and saying, what are we missing here? That we’re talking about thermonuclear disaster for the entire planet and this cat, this 80 year old tired president, acts like this ain’t a big thing because the Pentagon keeps pushing him that way. And the, the, the, the weapons industry keeps pushing him that way. Give me your take. I, look, I have, as you know, I have huge respect for your opinion. I, I always do, Farron. I can’t get my arms around this. Help me with it.

Farron Cousins:                  I, I, honest to God, I really can’t either. Because we’re looking at a situation where we are not under immediate threat here in the United States. Right. China is not gearing up to come over and bomb us or do anything super malicious like that, that’s going to put our lives in danger. We’ve got, you know, cyber issues. Sure. But there’s no immediate imminent bodily harm coming to the United States from China. So on its surface, obviously this makes no sense to begin with. And then when you drill down and you have all of these other factors, yeah, the industrial complex pushing this stuff, the contractors, all of it. That is the only thing that makes sense. That is the only part of this that you can say, okay, I see why we’re doing it. I disagree, but it’s the money.

Mike Papantonio:             See, this isn’t the only story. We’re covering one story and I, I agree with you, you know, this is, this story’s well done. It’s done by Common Dreams. I, that’s a great site. They’re, they’re, they’re true progressives. But there is that faction of the Democratic party that looks like these old freaks from the Republican party.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             The guys we used to worry, the, you know, Goldwater, Barry Goldwater kind of thinking. I don’t, I just can’t get my arms around it. I don’t understand why people watching this right now think, oh, that’s an overreaction. Hell no, it’s not an overreaction. Thermonuclear war starts just like that. You got, we’re poking the bear with, you know, Russia. You got an.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. He’s gone insane. There’s no telling what he’ll do.

Mike Papantonio:             Putin is totally insane. And now we’re gonna pick a fight with Russia. If you’re living in Australia right now, and you’re saying, well, okay, wait just a second. You’re moving all this nuclear, these nuclear arms right here to, to our little island. What are you thinking, man? What are you thinking? Are you not in the streets saying, hell no. Well, I don’t understand what’s going on in Australia. They, they’re usually very vocal about stuff like this.

Farron Cousins:                  I, I know. And I think what’s going on is that, you know, we talked about this story being from Common Dreams, I haven’t seen it anywhere else. I really have not seen this anywhere else.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  And I think that’s the problem is nobody’s talking about it.

Mike Papantonio:             Good point.

Farron Cousins:                  And this is a thing, guys. They’re, they’re building the facility to house the nuclear weapons.

Mike Papantonio:             You, you, you weren’t alive, I was, when John F. Kennedy understood that we were moments away from nuclear disaster. He and his brother Robert Kennedy made something happen that changed all that. You don’t have that kind of statesman or leadership right now, Farron.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             When that was going on, I swear to God we were, we were being told get under your desk because there, we went through drills. Get under your desk. You have multi, you have, you have millionaires that are building bunkers, thermonuclear safe, they think, bunkers somewhere out in the Midwest. And it’s, it’s, it’s happening not just a few, it’s happening in a big, big scale. So I’m just, I’m just wondering what does the average person not see about this? Because I get the impression they don’t see it and it scares me, tell me, you know, when you got children, it, it should scare the bejesus out of you.

Farron Cousins:                  And they don’t see it because they don’t see it because the media is not talking about these very important stories.

Mike Papantonio:             Oh, the media, media loves a good war. You know, but now they don’t, they may not love a good thermonuclear war when everything, when they evaporate, but they love a good war. So their idea, push it just like they’re doing with Russia. Push it as far as you can. Push, you know, push China as far as you can because it makes for good news, until it doesn’t.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And that’s what scares me here.

Elizabeth Warren recently tore into the Fed chair for punishing struggling Americans. Thank you Elizabeth Warren. God bless. What does it take for her to get a position of leadership where, I mean, she’s obviously a vocal leader, but I’m talking about, why don’t, why can’t we think of her as somebody who could be the president of this country? I mean, what, what, what is that? This woman’s brilliant and she’s, she’s called it out hasn’t she? She said the Fed is outta control. The Fed keeps, you know, raising interest rates and putting people outta work.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. And, and it’s, you know, slow walking us right to recession. I, I think the fears have subsided a little. We still could be looking at one, you know, middle of next year or early beginning. So the Fed is getting all these warnings and that’s what Elizabeth Warren is doing and she was also joined by Bernie Sanders and Katie Porter.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  They all signed onto this.

Mike Papantonio:             Love all of them.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. Great real corporate fighters here.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  But Elizabeth Warren, again, most vocal on this, telling him, you’re putting Americans out of work. When you raise these interest rates, and the Feds admitted that’s the goal, we want more people outta work. And you’re punishing the struggling people instead of the corporations price gouging us every day.

Mike Papantonio:             Isn’t the math easy? I mean, isn’t it easy? You raise interest rates. A corporation says we need to cut back because we need a certain, we gotta keep, we gotta keep a profit margin.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And whatever they have to do to keep the profit margin, they’re gonna do it. Whether it means laying people off, they’re going to take, they’re gonna take benefits away from workers. They’re going to pay ’em less money. They’re gonna make it very difficult for the American worker because they can. And that’s what the Fed says, that’s a good idea. That’s exactly what we want. And, and as we’re looking at this, you, you pointed out just now, there’s an easier way to do it, isn’t it?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Go after the price gougers. If you got an oil industry, what’d they, we, we did a show on this a couple weeks ago, $18 billion in one quarter for one company, $12 billion in one quarter for another company, $8 billion for another, the numbers are staggering.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             But the president and the Congress, I’ll be damned if they’ll say, you’re gonna stop your price gouging to, to, to the energy industry or to the pharmaceutical industry. It’s easy to do.

Farron Cousins:                  And, and we know exactly why. We, we have another story, once again from Common Dreams because they put together, they crunched the numbers. They found that all of these pieces of legislation that were gonna fight corporate price gouging on average more than 1000 corporate lobbyists per bill going to DC to make sure these things never happened.

Mike Papantonio:             2,600 lobbyists. Did you see that number?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             2,600 lobbyists went to DC when they started, when we started talking about we can, we can have price controls, we can stop, we can have windfall taxes, we can stop all this. They sent 2,600 lobbyists to stop it. And these bonehead bottom feeder politicians, you know, Joe, just give me a little extra money on my campaign and, and we’ll, we’ll look the other way. That’s what they’re doing.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             They’re looking the other way. Even though there’s a lot of history here. Volcker made the same mistake. Put us into recession. Greenspan made the same mistake, put us into recession. We’re at right now, we’re at 8% inflation, 8%. The Fed says we have to get down to 2%. Can you imagine the suffering that’s gonna take?

Farron Cousins:                  No, we’re, we’re gonna end up having to get unemployment up to 10% if we want to hit that number. And of course, that means people suffer instead of addressing the real causes of these problems. And again, we’re at the point, the United Nations.

Mike Papantonio:             Oh yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Has stepped in.

Mike Papantonio:             Isn’t that embarrassing?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Isn’t that embarrassing? The United Nations coming and saying

Farron Cousins:                  They’re, they’re, they’re telling him, they’re telling Powell, you are ruining the global economy.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                 You have to stop this. And Warren, Sanders, Katie Porter, they, they know the plan. They know what to do and that would work. But nobody wants to listen to these people because they make too much sense, I guess.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, profiteering is fine as, but the other side of it, let’s let corporations profiteer, let’s let ’em price gouge. And oh, by the way, as we do that, we’re gonna take benefits away from workers. We’re gonna, gonna lower their wages. We’re gonna make it more difficult for them to get jobs. This idea of any flexibility where a worker has right now, it’s gonna disappear.

The US government wants to reevaluate our relationships with Saudi Arabia, but Wall Street, as you might imagine, has other ideas. So money has always been the attraction for scavenger, bottom feeders that never believe that some money is too expensive. There is never that question. Is some money too expensive? They’ve never asked themselves that. Pick this story up.

Farron Cousins:                  No, you’ve got the future investment initiative that actually took place, I think about a week ago in Saudi Arabia.

Mike Papantonio:             Yep.

Farron Cousins:                  You had, who went there? JP Morgan’s ceo, Jamie Dimon, Goldman Sachs ceo, David Solomon, Blackstone Group ceo, Stephen Schwarzman. And they all lined up and they said, hey, Saudi Arabia, we’re here. We know that you’re sitting on $620 billion that you want to invest. We would love to help you do it. We know that you have beheaded over 180 people this year, political prisoners, but we’re cool with that because you’ve got $620 billion.

Mike Papantonio:             Wait. They know that Saudi Arabia is responsible for murdering 3000 Americans on American soil. Happened right where these cats, where Mr. Dimon lives, where Mr. Solomon lives, where Mr. Schwarzman lives, happened right in their backyard. They, there’s unequivocal, unequivocal evidence that the Saudis were behind it more than any country in the world. But here’s the difference. Right now, there’s $1 trillion being pushed into fossil fuel by these same cats. Okay. So what happens when they push that money in for fossil fuel? What ends up happening is they, they, they, you’re gonna see a series of IPOs. Alright? IPOs is where these guys take their mega fees. You see, they take management fees that are incredible. The other part, the other part of it is, is they’re managing the portfolios. They’re managing trillions of dollars of portfolios for these Saudi prince types. They’re, they’re never gonna say, some money’s too expensive, are they?

Farron Cousins:                  No, absolutely not. And let’s also not forget, we’ve had some banks in the past doing business with Saudi Arabia. Things didn’t end so well for them.

Mike Papantonio:             Talk about it.

Farron Cousins:                  Because it turns out, oh, we were actually laundering money for terrorist organizations.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. We handled that case.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             We’re handling that case right now where these same banks were involved, HSBC. Okay. They were laundering money from terror, for terrorists from Saudi Arabia. They knew they were from Saudi Arabia. They were laundering money. The money was ending up killing American soldiers, American contractors. We have, we can pin it down exactly. Dollar comes to the bank. That dollar we can trace exactly what the terrorist organization was that used it, down to where the bomb roadside bomb is. We have it down to that. They know that. The evidence, the Wall, but hey, has the DOJ done anything about it?

Farron Cousins:                  No, absolutely not. And that was Eric Holder decided, we don’t want to actually prosecute you for this. We’re just gonna make you pay back some of the profit. Not even all of the profit.

Mike Papantonio:             No, no. It was $1.6 billion. And, and they made a hundred billion dollars, 100. They signed a, a massive document that said, yeah, we were washing money for the Saudis. Yes, we knew it was being used for terrorism. Yes, we knew it was killing American soldiers and American contractors. Wall Street would bless this all day long. They would bless, if you, if you had a thousand Khashoggi’s, If you had 1000 Khashoggi’s, the bottom feeder punks on Wall Street would say, That’s absolutely okay. These three guys, Mr. Jamie Dimon, Mr. David Solomon, Mr. Stephen Schwarzman, that would be just fine As long as they can make a profit.

Farron Cousins:                  They, they would personally step over those corpses to go sign that deal.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s what they’re doing.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             They’re absolutely stepping over corpses. These are the same people, understand Hitler, Hitler was, was buoyed up by these very same types while mass extinction was going on. While, while, you know, Hitler was at his very worst, they were involved in the process of money lending. So at what point do you say it’s, it’s, it’s irretrievable? It’s broken, it’s irreversible broken. And this is the best example. And Biden has no courage at all. He could step in, he could say, this is absurd. Stop it. He won’t do that because the Democratic party is making so much money from these very people.

Farron Cousins:                  Well, and what, what he needs to do, just so everybody’s aware that yes, he does have power, is declare they’re a state sponsor of terrorism. We know they are.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  So slap the distinction on ’em. Make it illegal to do business with them. And you can stop this in it’s tracks.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, well, first of all that, you understand, that’s been put on the table.

Farron Cousins:                  Oh, multiple times.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s been put on the table. Why are we treating these, these, these thugs, these Saudi Arabian thugs, these prince who I call a mutt, why are we treating them any different from any other terrorist? Because the weapons industry, they want us to, because the, the energy industry, they want us to, because the Democrats and Republican want us to, because they’re getting so much money. So now they’re, they own this country. I mean, they’re already so invested in this country. I don’t think we can ever reverse that. But the point is this, they, these folks that I just named, maybe we’ll have a picture up on in this, in this segment, these folks are stepping over corpses of, of American citizens. 3000 that were murdered by the very people that they’re so anxious to make money from.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Donald Trump is running for president, but a lot of Republicans want this guy to step aside and say, look, Trump, you’re a disaster. You actually cost the Republicans so much in this last election. If we look at your track record, it was awful. He was going around the country saying, this is my candidate. Okay, this was your candidate and they lost. Last one is Lake. Right? That’s the last one that took place.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             So it comes down to, to, to now you’ve got Ron DeSantis. Pick up from Ron DeSantis. Gimme your take on it.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. Ron DeSantis had the biggest victory of any single candidate last week and really any candidate in the last, you know, 80 years of Florida history.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  1.5 million votes, he won his election by, he is a solid heir, I would say to Donald Trump’s MAGA empire.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Whether you endorse him or not, he, he, he maybe can bring some sense back to the Republican party is, is the talking point.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             He’s not a crazy man. And he, look, he has, here’s the difference. They say that he’s boring. He is a little boring, frankly. But you know what? He hasn’t been accused of rape. He hasn’t been found to committed fraud. He hasn’t been found to have committed tax evasion. He has, he wasn’t the best friends of Jeff Epstein. He didn’t have a close relationship. He had no silver spoon in his mouth like daddy did for little crazy Donny. He wasn’t regarded as the worst person on the planet as we’ve seen. I mean, you realize there’s, there’s been votes by both sides.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Who’s, Donald Trump has been called that person. And, and so

Farron Cousins:                  He’s got military background too.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  So that works well for him with that, you know, Republican base. And listen, I don’t like the DeSantis at all, so, you know, and I know.

Mike Papantonio:             I know you don’t.

Farron Cousins:                  But, but I do think if we’re looking at this in just terms of candidate strength, DeSantis beats Trump on every single level. And I love that you pointed out these things that he doesn’t have.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Because I’ve mentioned that as well. As much as I dislike the guy, there aren’t, as far as we know, and we’ve had plenty of time to look, there’s no skeletons in that closet.

Mike Papantonio:             There really aren’t.

Farron Cousins:                  So.

Mike Papantonio:             There really aren’t. I mean, when he says, I’m, you know, I love my wife. I’m a family guy. That is the story.

Farron Cousins:                  I mean, he’s got bad culture war legislation. Sure. But everybody’s got.

Mike Papantonio:             There’s no question. I’m not, I’m not embracing this guy.

Farron Cousins:                  Oh, no, no, no. I’m just saying. But in terms of, have you had any affairs? Were you secretly paying for abortion?

Mike Papantonio:             Exactly.

Farron Cousins:                  He hasn’t done that. And so that automatically puts him leaps and bounds above some of these other Republicans with embarrassing videos or whatever.

Mike Papantonio:             This is the short list I got to thinking about before we came on the air. And it is, he, he is Trump is, has caused more harm to the Republican party and to American politics. And it’s just time for him to move over. And the only thing I see promising is you got a guy who might be able to do that here. And I, I’m looking at the numbers right now. He’s, he, he’s, he’s killing Trump already. And.

Farron Cousins:                  His poll numbers have gone through the roof in the last, you know, seven days. And Trump doesn’t, like, he’ll never step down. He is not gonna move out of the way, even though.

Mike Papantonio:             No, he has mental, Trump has serious mental problems. He, he really does. It’s.

Farron Cousins:                  And the number of Republicans, his former allies, his MAGA people, the number of them coming out is increasing every day saying, uh-uh.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  No more Trump.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. I know.

Farron Cousins:                  So it’s bad for him.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, the truth is, DeSantis is a rising star and, and, and Trump is a, a flaming out meteor that was there through the sky. He’s flamed out. Nobody will admit that he’s flamed out. But as you point out, DeSantis, 1.6 million votes in Florida ahead of Charlie Christ, the biggest difference it’s ever. Is it, is it just Florida history or is anywhere, Governor history?

Farron Cousins:                  I know it’s definitely Florida history. I’m not sure if it’s all over, but I, I have to imagine it’s at least in the top 10.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Maybe top five.

Mike Papantonio:             Let me close by saying this. He needs to get out there now because Trump is gonna be out there trying to tie up the big givers.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay. He’s gonna be out trying to tie up as much money as he can from the traditional conservative donors. But if you look at the field, you got maybe Pence, maybe Haley, you know, from South Carolina that, that’s in the mix. But you have Pom, Pompeo who, who I believe will come as a spoiler. You understand if Trump has a lot of people in the field that are just, just taking away potential votes from DeSantis in the primaries, that’s how Trump wins.

Farron Cousins:                  You know, who else has been trying to paint themselves as not a crazy person recently, somebody you and I actually talked about a while ago as a potential spoiler, Dan Crenshaw.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Dan Crenshaw has backed away from all of the, you know, Trump-like people.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  He’s got the military history, you know, obviously the, eye patch that, that immediately draws your attention to the military history, gave up a part of his body for it.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  That sells well.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  With average Americans.

Mike Papantonio:             You, you agree though Trump is gonna hope that everybody stands back while he scrambles around trying to tie up as much money as he can from the big donors.

Farron Cousins:                  Absolutely.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s what DeSantis needs to be aware of. Farron, thank you. Thanks for joining me. Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  Thank you.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s all for this week, but all of these segments are gonna be available this upcoming week right here on this channel, and you can follow us on Twitter @AmericasLawyer. I’m Mike Papantonio and this has been America’s Lawyer, where every week we tell you the stories that corporate media won’t tell you because their advertisers don’t let ’em tell you that story. They won’t permit ’em to tell these stories or their political connections are just so tribal and so deep that they can’t tell some of these stories. I hope we’ll see you next time.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.