America’s Lawyer E26: The United States Supreme Court will hear a case this term that could change the way liability works for social media companies. We’ll explain what this could mean for the future of the internet. SEVEN people involved in the Flint water scandal had charges against them dropped, so not one person has gone to jail for contaminating an entire generation. And a former aide to Hillary Clinton says that she is running for President again, and that would be a disaster for the Democrats. All that, and more is coming up, so don’t go anywhere – America’s Lawyer starts right now.


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Mike Papantonio:             Hi, I’m Mike Papantonio and this is America’s Lawyer. The United States Supreme Court’s gonna hear a case this term that could change the way liability works for social media companies. It’s long overdue. We’ll give you the details. Seven people involved in the Flint water scandal had charges against them totally dropped. So no one’s gone to jail for contaminating an entire generation. And a former aide to Hillary Clinton says that she’s running for president again, and that would be a disaster for the Democrats. All that and more, it’s coming up, don’t go anywhere. America’s Lawyer starts right now.

The Supreme Court is set here a case this term that could dramatically change the internet forever. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins joins me now to talk about what’s happening. Case is long overdue, man. I mean, this is, there has to be you, you have a division, obviously. You’ve got conservatives that say, well, anything goes. And then you’ve got liberals that say, if we disagree with what you say, we’re not going to, we’re gonna censor it and we’re not gonna show it. Those are the kind of, the polarized avenues here. Supreme Court has to decide though, what happens when the social media understands that people are being harmed, murdered, raped, kidnapped by the things that they post. And they clearly know with that, take the algorithms out, they clearly know that what they’re posting is causing all that. What’s your take?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. This particular case is absolutely horrendous. You have a young woman that was murdered by terrorists, and in the social media feed of the individual that did the killing, there were always recommended videos put out there by Isis. So it seems pretty clear you’ve got people being radicalized because there’s no regulation over what is allowed and what is not. And you actually have both Democrats and Republicans, like you said, they do have two totally different positions.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  But they’re both in agreement that we gotta do something about Section 230, which is Section 230 in case anybody doesn’t know, say you are not liable as a platform for what goes out on your platform.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  And when you look at the details of this case, obviously it’s hard to say that, no, we should let people post whatever. But repealing Section 230, in my opinion, also could lead to just broad censorship across the board. And that, that’s what scares me a little bit about this.

Mike Papantonio:             Here, I’m, I’m looking at it as a lawyer would see it. Okay. First of all, the numbers of cases that we’re finding with human trafficking that are completely related to the conduct of, of the internet, social media, the numbers of cases where we’re seeing people bullied to the point that they’re committing suicide, completely related to the conduct of social media. Now, here’s the point. If you’re gonna make a profit, that’s okay. Make all the profits you want, but don’t come to court when I have them in court and I’m saying, you posted this, you, it was foreseeable that what you posted was gonna cause this child to go out and commit suicide. That you knew that. Anybody with a brain should know that. So don’t come to court and say, hey, we have a sophisticated, sophisticated algorithm system. Don’t tell me that. Put human beings involved in that process. And if it’s too expensive, then by, you’re gonna have to make less profit.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Right?

Farron Cousins:                  And the thing that worries me about removing Section 230 altogether is that if that happens, you will have social media companies that overreact, and that’s where the exiguous censorship would come into play. They would look at anything, you know, even political content saying, well, you’re a little extreme here. We have to ban you from our platform. Oh, this, we can’t really go after. We’re gonna ban you from our platform. And so that’s the slope that we have to avoid, but we have to do something about, about the problem too.

Mike Papantonio:             Right. Well, it’s, it’s a tangible problem. I mean, you know, as you know, you know what, what I do and what this law firm does, we are in the middle of these cases all the time, and we always have some cat saying, well, we got an algorithm system. It seems to work for. You know, that’s ridiculous. They’re in the, this is, these are companies that make a profit. Okay. Big, big profit.

Farron Cousins:                  Billions.

Mike Papantonio:             Billions in profit. So if you say to them, I’m sorry, you’re gonna have to change what you’re doing, and you know what, It might cost you some money. You might make less profit. But if human life is at risk, I mean, what 130 people were attacked.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             In, in this story that we led with.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             130 people attacked by, by Muslim jihadists, you know, that just said that, and they, and the social media promoted what these folks were talking to each other about.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             They made a special little section.

Farron Cousins:                  That’s, that’s how the algorithm actually works.

Mike Papantonio:             Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I gotta tell you, 230 is a, it’s, it’s a kind of a nightmare and there’s gotta be an in between.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             There’s gotta be an in between position, because right now, to give them a free ride just because they’re social media and they don’t wanna spend the money bringing in human beings to make decisions like this, rather than computers, I don’t buy that and it’s not gonna work in court.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             I, I, I can’t wait for that closing argument where they said, well, we got algorithms, we got this down to a science. No, you don’t have it down to a science.

A judge in Michigan has dropped the criminal charges against seven officials involved in the Flint water scandal. Wow. Okay. So here, so here’s, here’s the headline here. The headline is, these politicians made decisions, specific decisions about where the water supply was gonna come from. They knew when they made, and they, they made it because they said, well, we’re reworking the, we’re, we’re reworking the main supply right now, so we’re gonna put you the secondary. They knew secondary was completely contaminated, not just with lead, but all types of chlorine oxide, you name it. It was in that water. Caused, caused people to die.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. It did. Multiple people died of Legionnaire’s disease that these public officials who just had the charges dropped against them, they knew Legionnaires was in the water. They knew it was going to kill people, and they hid that information from the public. They have documents, they have tests in their hands that are telling them people are gonna die because of what you did. And they still said, well, let’s hide this away so nobody knows. And then this judge who, who is an, an elected judge.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  I, I did actually came from a plaintiff’s firm.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  I was shocked by this decision.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, me too.

Farron Cousins:                  But she comes out and says, you know what? No harm, no foul. All charges dropped.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. And her rationale was ridiculous. Okay. Her irrational is ridiculous. Look, the state has a constitutional system that they use. It’s a way that you bring about charges. You don’t, some, you don’t sometimes strike, you know, a six to 10 member grand jury. They have a system that in the right circumstances, a judge can sit as a, as the person who reviews the facts and says, yes, there’s enough here for an indictment. That’s what happened here. This judge says, oh, that’s horrible. It’s a star chamber. Well, if it’s a star chamber, they should change it. The legislature should change it in Michigan. But right now, it’s a way that you can bring about an indictment. So that’s what they did. And this judge says, oh, no, this is all based on, this is all based on a bad indictment. And all these people walked. They killed people. It’s no different than manslaughter. That’s what it is. It’s absolutely manslaughter. And they let ’em walk. Nobody cares.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. And, and, and it’s even worse too, because you had the original Attorney General of Michigan, it was a Republican at the time, investigating Republicans. Before he leaves office, he says, I’m gonna put people in prison. Then you had the Democrat, Dana Nessel take over.

Mike Papantonio:                      Oh.

Farron Cousins:                  Nessel fires the special prosecutor and his entire team, basically for.

Mike Papantonio:             To protect, to protect her party.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s what she was doing.

Farron Cousins:                  Well, well, she’s a Democrat going after Republicans and still stands up for ’em. But this whole thing is a bipartisan failure.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Everybody protecting the powerful is what’s happening.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  And people died. They’re dead people here.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, it wasn’t just it, there wasn’t, there wasn’t completely polarized parties. There, there’s a mixture of that.

Farron Cousins:                  Oh, absolutely.

Mike Papantonio:             And Nessel made some decisions that were pretty close to just being pure political favor and payback.

Farron Cousins:                  And, and it’s almost as if Nessel intentionally tried to sabotage the way she did with the, you know, one judge grand jury.

Mike Papantonio:             Right. Right.

Farron Cousins:                  She knew that the other courts probably wouldn’t be okay with that. She, to me, is at the heart of all of this, Dana Nessel.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, well, she may be. The truth is, there’s still time to bring charges. There’s still time to bring these charges. They still have a chance to do something about it. Otherwise, you’re just letting people that, that look, it’s no different from somebody drinking a fifth of Jack Daniels and driving 90 miles an hour through a school zone. Okay. If they kill somebody, that’s, that’s a step up beyond manslaughter. This is manslaughter. And they knew exactly what they’re doing and they tried to hide it and, and hundreds of people, hundreds of people are dead.

Farron Cousins:                  But, but back to Nessel, just a moment because I know you’re gonna love this. Nessel is constantly on the, the corporate media. She’s brought out there as this hard scrabble Democratic Attorney General. She’s letting people that got people killed off the hook. This is not a hero of the Democratic party.

Mike Papantonio:             No, not at all.

Farron Cousins:                  She is absolutely as vile as they come.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, you’re right. And, and well, time will tell. Will they bring other charges? Probably not.

CEOs are preparing major layoffs as recession fears continue to grow. We did a story this past week where we talked about how corporations are using the whole infl, the inflation issue, the threat of recession to jack up prices.

Farron Cousins:                  Yep.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s price gouging. They cover it up through price gouging. So here, what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to change the whole nature of how they go about, how they go about paying employees, how they go about hiring employees and, and what they expect out of employees. They’re, they’re, they’re tightening the reins on hiring people, and they’re tightening the reins on workers. And they’re saying, look, we gotta do all this to you. We have to do all this. We have to let you go. We have to put you on part-time. No, we can’t pay a full wage. That’s what they’re doing.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. And, and it’s absolutely ridiculous considering this is a recession that is coming. I mean, there, there’s little doubt the recession’s coming, but that was the goal of the Fed.

Mike Papantonio:             Exactly.

Farron Cousins:                  With the raising of the interest rate. This is a manmade recession. The UN has stepped in and told the United States, you have to stop raising these interest rates because you are going to cause a global financial catastrophe.

Mike Papantonio:             Right. Saw that story yesterday. Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  And, and even still, they say, no, we’re gonna keep doing it. So these corporations use it as an excuse. They’re already making profits higher than they have in 72 years.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  And now they see, Okay, well, we can fire people.

Mike Papantonio:             Right.

Farron Cousins:                  Put more money in our pockets. And when people know the firings are coming, they’re gonna tighten up a little bit because they’re scared.

Mike Papantonio:             They, they have, they have a window. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             So in the window, as you point out, they’re gonna price gouge. They’re gonna take the pricing of an item to a new plateau, and then never change it. That plat, once they get there, they’re gonna stay there. They’re gonna change the rules of what they do with workers. And you have the Fed that’s been warned time and time, and as you point out, now you got the global community saying, are you, are you guys really as stupid as you look? Don’t you remember Volcker? Remember?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Volcker did the same thing with the same result. Greenberg, same thing with.

Farron Cousins:                  Greenspan. Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Greenspan, excuse me. Greenspan. The same result. And I mean, it’s just like they don’t, this Powell cat, it’s like he doesn’t read a history book. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Well, and, and, and it’s also, they just don’t care. They, they want the numbers to try to look better, but they’re gonna put millions of Americans out of work to do it.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  So then you end up with unemployment going through the roof, and that’s gonna look even worse for your party.

Mike Papantonio:             I know.

Farron Cousins:                  So I don’t know what they’re thinking, but.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, they’re trying to help. They’re, they’re trying to get a lot done before midterms, and it’s just blowing up in their face.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s the problem.

Former Clinton aide Dick Morris says that Hillary Clinton’s definitely running for president again in 2024. You know, this guy’s jacked up all the time. I, I, you know, Dick Morris, I, I’ve known him a long time. I, so he’ll say some outrageous thing like this. But here he’s saying, no, the reason I know this is because I wrote the playbook for, for the Clintons. I wrote the playbook. And the playbook is to isolate yourself and, and, and, and distance yourself from the fringe left. Come back to where you’re a corporate Democrat. That’s what’s happening here. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, absolutely. That is pretty much exactly what Mr. Morris here is saying. Saying, oh, look, Hillary Clinton’s actually out there attacking Biden on the issue of immigration, which of course he thinks makes her appeal to the, you know, more con, moderate conservatives who will never love Hillary Clinton ever, no matter what she does.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  But then he goes on and he attacks Bernie Sanders. He attacks Elizabeth Warren. He attacks all these people and says, if we don’t get Hillary, we’re gonna end up with these fringe nut jobs, like Bernie, who is the most popular politician in America.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  But he thinks somehow that’s the worst thing imaginable.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, okay. For, there’s a lot of parts to this, but one part you can’t miss. Okay. Who is it that, that, that pushed NAFTA, CAFTA, TPP more than anybody in, in politics? It was the Clinton family.

Farron Cousins:                  Yep.

Mike Papantonio:             It was Bill Clinton. It was Hillary Clinton. Now, why did they do it? Because it was a payoff to corporations. We’re gonna allow you to spend, to send all of your jobs to India and China. We’re even gonna give you benefits to doing that. There’s not gonna be any tax, there’s not gonna be any kind of way that we punish you for doing that. Ship all the jobs out of the country. And you saw what, what that has brought about in Middle America, a disaster. So now she’s taken a position, the Democrats then said, well, let’s import workers. Right? Let’s import workers. That was a Democrat decision. That was made in, interestingly enough by the Chamber of Commerce, US Chamber of Commerce that was tied, you know, tied arm to arm with the Democrats. That was a plan they had. So what she’s saying is so contrary to what she’s done year after year, isn’t it?

Farron Cousins:                  It, it, it is. And again, what she’s trying to do, she wants to be the, I’m not quite left. I’m not quite right. You know, everybody is, is sick of the extreme left. Everybody’s sick of the extreme right. Come back to the center, which is exactly, of course, what Bill Clinton did.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  And, and people have to understand, and I love to point this out, Bill Clinton never once hit 50% of the popular vote.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  Had it not been for a, um.

Mike Papantonio:             What’s his name?

Farron Cousins:                  Ross Perot.

Mike Papantonio:             Ross Perot.

Farron Cousins:                  Ross Perot running in 92 and 96, Bill Clinton wouldn’t have won.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  So all of these people, you’re Dick Morris’, your Paul Begala’s, your, your James Carville’s, who act like we’re the brilliant people that did this.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah, yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  No, you didn’t. Ross Perot put these people on the map. We wouldn’t even remember who Hillary Clinton is if it weren’t for Ross Perot.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. You actually, you did a story a while back on that where you analyze he wouldn’t have won.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             Ab, absolutely would not have won with, with popular vote or, you know. So the point, the point to me is her talking point right now is so contrary to everything that the Clinton family has done for all these years. So she’s gonna send all of her flying monkeys out, and the flying monkeys are gonna say, if you’re not in the middle, you’re just not a Democrat, and you don’t have a chance of winning. That’s, that’s the new talking point. And she’s gonna lead according, according to, you know, Dick Morris. I mean, you know, who knows?

Some of the biggest pharmacies in America are facing lawsuits over the placement of non FDA approved homeopathic medicines. Okay. Why, why don’t you pick this up. It’s, it’s, um, you know, there was a whole push maybe 15 years ago, homeopath is going to replace, is gonna replace chemical medicine. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Explain homeopath a little bit so people can understand what we’re talking about.

Farron Cousins:                  Well, we’re talking about things obviously that are not approved by the FDA. Not necessarily, you know, vitamins and supplements of that nature. But we’re talking about the things that are, you know, boost your brain health, those kinds of things. You know, take this for your, for your asthma. It’s all natural. It’s gonna make you feel better without having to, you know, use these dangerous pharmaceuticals. And of course that does appeal to people because you of all people know how dangerous pharmaceuticals can be, and the public is aware of that too. And plus they don’t wanna pay the big prices. The problem is, it is the Wild West out there with this homeopathic medicine. There, there’s virtually no regulations. We do have instances where one of these supplements that was sold by Walmart, CVS, all these places was killing infants.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  Killing infants because it had deadly nightshade in it. So these are a very real problem and this.

Mike Papantonio:             There’s nobody looking over their shoulders.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             Nobody, I mean, you know, you put it out there, you know, this is good for your brain. Well, okay, you take a year’s worth and it destroys your kidneys or your liver or, or causes some type of heart defect. Everybody’s asleep on it. So CVS says, this is what the public wants. So we’re gonna put it up next to a medicine that suggests that this homeopathic drug, this homeopathic thing, has the same efficacy and safety as this chemical produced pharmaceutical.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             And as much as, you know how much I hate the pharmaceutical industry.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             There’s very few people that you will meet that have such disdain for the pharmaceutical industry. They at least are under some protection from the standpoint of somebody’s kind of looking over their shoulder, the FDA, sometimes.

Farron Cousins:                  A little bit. Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             A little bit. Homeopathic, none at all.

Farron Cousins:                  Right. And, and it is all about the display. That’s what these companies are facing the lawsuits over saying, you put it right there, you know, this homeopath headache remedy right next to the ibuprofen. You put all these things next to the digestive health medicine that have no guarantees. And we know, you know, you’ve seen documents about the placement of these products. We saw it with JUUL. We saw it with talc.

Mike Papantonio:             Yes, yes, yes.

Farron Cousins:                  The placement of these products in these very stores.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s part of the marketing.

Farron Cousins:                  It is.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s, it’s what, and so they know they can sell more homeopathic because it’s cheaper. And they know that they’re not gonna be held responsible if somebody does die. They didn’t manufacture the product. But the way that they’re marketing, they’re very aware of what they’re doing here.

A prominent lawyer is headed to prison after spending years defrauding his clients. God, another lawyer story. Outta California. Yeah. We just got done with the Tom Girardi story. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             This lawyer out there that was Mr. Politics, you know, he got judges appointed. He got, he was the man to see for politics. He was in that business out in LA for Tom Girardi, out in the, for, for a long time. And all of a sudden, after years of people complaining, I think he’s stealing from clients, after years of doing that, Barr does nothing about it. Nobody, no regulatory does anything about it. And they, in the end, he stole, what, he stole $300 million from clients.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. It was an absurd about. Far more than Michael Avenatti could even dream of.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  But Avenatti was getting there.

Mike Papantonio:             Avenatti, Avenatti was pretty good. He was a pretty good thief. Tom Girardi, obviously a better thief. This guy, kind of a slow, small operator. But let’s talk about him.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, absolutely. You were talking about a guy named Matthew Elstein, and he stole a couple hundred thousand. So he was, you know, working his way up there. But basically what this man did is, is almost even more nefarious than some of these other folks because he wasn’t even actually filing lawsuits for the people that, that hired him. He would forge the documents and show it to them, saying, all right, well this is the lawsuit of yours that I filed. Now you have to pay me all of this money. And then he would come back and say, well, it didn’t. They, they threw it out.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  You know, there, there is actually no case. I’m sorry, but you know, now you gotta pay me more.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Actually creating an order from the judge and saying, this judge signed this. Then he forges the order and it, he forges even, he, he even creates mythical pleadings. I filed this pleading and asked for a deposition and it’s been delayed. Well, no, nothing’s been filed. Literally complaints have not even been filed. And these, these companies are paying him.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Here, thanks. It looks like you did a lot of work. Here’s another $50,000. Well, the good news is he’s caught, he lost his license. He said he had a degenerative, a degenerative frontal lobe problem, but there was no signs to ever, ever stand behind the.

Farron Cousins:                  No. And, and a degenerative frontal lobe problem is not going to cause you to forge documents or, it may make you forget some things, but it doesn’t literally turn you into a criminal, which is what this man is.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, thank, thank goodness the judge saw beyond it. The judge said, we’re not buying that. You’re going to prison, old friend.

Progressives are on the hunt for new candidates to replace the very few, but very old real progressive leaders in Washington. You know, before we came on the set, I said, I can’t think of anybody that I want to replace, that I would want to put in that slot. Give me some names. I mean, we’re talking about, we’re talking about Bernie quality.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             We’re talking about Elizabeth Warren kind of quality candidate. What do you think?

Farron Cousins:                  Well, you know, we, we’ve talked a lot about just the aging problem with the Democratic party, but on the actual progressive side, yeah, we’ve got two people. Bernie’s 81, she’s in her early seventies. They’re kind of aged out and people understand that. They’re not gonna run again in 2024, and honestly they shouldn’t.

Mike Papantonio:             No.

Farron Cousins:                  Bernie Sanders at 83 should not run. Love the guy, but it, it’s not happening. So the question is, who carries the torch? Who is out there actually fighting against corporations, fighting for workers? A couple names to me come to mind. Katie Porter out in California.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  She is.

Mike Papantonio:             You, you really like her.

Farron Cousins:                  I really like Katie Porter.

Mike Papantonio:             Every time you talk about Katie Porter, you light up. Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  I, I am just absolutely loving Katie Porter because you watch her on the House floor during these hearings, taking on these CEOs better than anybody I’ve seen.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. That’s what, she’s smart, isn’t she?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             I mean, and, and she’s not afraid. She, she’s, you know, obviously when she takes on these big corporations, they dry up money to her, but she doesn’t seem to be afraid of that. Anybody else you can think of?

Farron Cousins:                  Possibly Ro Khanna. He’s actually also from California.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  He actually served as kind of Bernie’s right hand man during his 2020 presidential campaign.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  So he’s very much like Bernie. He’s got baggage. You know, we actually brought him up recently talking about the insider trading stuff.

Mike Papantonio:             Right, right, right.

Farron Cousins:                  His wife, his family. So.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s a pretty ugly story.

Farron Cousins:                  That’s what, that’s what turns me off about him now. But, Katie Porter, I, I’ve, I’ve dug, I’ve dug, I’ve dug, I don’t see the baggage. She’s not somebody that the conservative media’s been out there trashing for years, which is a problem that the squad has.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  They’ve been so tarnished by right wing media, I don’t think they could have broad appeal.

Mike Papantonio:             Whether, you know, I, I, as I watch the squad.

Farron Cousins:                  And, and I like them. I do.

Mike Papantonio:             I do, I, I, they do some good things.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             I don’t know whether they just don’t do it right or whether the media is just so set and, and, and they don’t, you know, corporate media does not like progressives. I mean.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             They may act like they do. You may watch MSNBC and you may say they really have kinship with progressives. They don’t.

Farron Cousins:                  We’ve, we’ve.

Mike Papantonio:             There’s no.

Farron Cousins:                  We know firsthand behind the scenes stuff they hate progressives at MSNBC.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. I did MSNBC, as you know, for a long time, you were one of the producers that worked with me when I’d made, I’d make, I’d be on a couple times a week and they’d rarely let you tell the story. So for us to believe that progressives, progressives have an easy run with media and that they’re gonna support, that’ll be the problem with Katie Porter, won’t it?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. It.

Mike Papantonio:             The problem will be they will do everything they can to dis, to discredit her.

Farron Cousins:                  Right. But actually too, if you look at Katie Porter’s voting record, she does have a very, a moderate coming across voting record.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  So she doesn’t, she’s not super extreme, but the fact that she takes on corporate power and does advocate for workers, the working class, consumers, that’s the kind of thing we need. And, and in her mold, we could bring more people in that way.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Maybe we can ask as people watch this, you send in your comments, give, give us some ideas.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. We need more names.

Mike Papantonio:             We’ll, we will, we need a lot.

Farron Cousins:                  We need more than just Katie Porter.

Mike Papantonio:             We need a lot more names. Farron, thank you for joining me. Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  Thank you.

Mike Papantonio:             That’s all for this week. But all these segments are gonna be available this coming week right here on this channel and you can follow us on Twitter @AmericasLawyer. I’m Mike Papantonio and this has been America’s Lawyer, where every week we tell you the stories that corporate media won’t tell you because their advertisers won’t let ’em and their political connections don’t allow for it. We’ll see you next time.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.