The state of Ohio has passed two highly controversial bills in the past week that have put the Buckeye State in the national spotlight. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss more.


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Mike Papantonio:             The state of Ohio has passed two highly controversial bills in the past week that have put the Buckeye state in the national spotlight. Wow. I, these, these are just off the. Go ahead and talk about them, go.

Farron Cousins:                  The, the first one is obviously just absolute madness and that’s actually how people in Ohio have described it, absolute madness. We’re talking about Ohio says we have now passed legislation that will allow teachers to carry guns in the classroom. So.

Mike Papantonio:             What do policemen think about that?

Farron Cousins:                  Police hate it. The teachers hate it. The teachers unions hate it. Most of the parents hate it. And the only people who like this idea of course are the NRA and the gun makers because okay, now you’ve opened it up to where teachers can buy more guns. So you’re gonna sell a lot of guns and the only people that that benefits are the people who sell the guns.

Mike Papantonio:             Well, so, okay. So there was one discussion where they’d have to have 700 hours of training, right?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And now that’s been reduced to what? 24 hours.

Farron Cousins:                  24 hours.

Mike Papantonio:             24 hours of training. And they we’re gonna arm the teacher to take care of the bad guy. Right?

Farron Cousins:                  Right. And the reason the police do not like this idea and I think, you know, for the crowd that always says, oh, gotta back the police. Well, listen to the police on this.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. If they says it’s a bad idea.

Farron Cousins:                  Because they, if the police get sent into a school and they see multiple different people shooting guns, guess what the police start doing, they start shooting everybody that is shooting. They’re not gonna say, wait, wait, are you a bad guy or a teacher?

Mike Papantonio:             Well, how about the, the border patrol guy that came, I mean really the guy who got something done in Texas, he didn’t have a uniform on. He comes in, he’s a sitin’ duck. The police officer’s a sitin’ duck. You got, you can’t train somebody to, to use critical thinking in that kind of dire circumstances. I don’t care how much training it is. It’s dangerous.

Farron Cousins:                  Well, not to mention if students know that there is a gun in the classroom, what you’re doing, even if it’s under lock and key.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  You’re providing access to something that a kid who may do something may not have previously had access to.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm.

Farron Cousins:                  I mean, my wife who, who, you know, works with some of the more troubled students.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  The, the physical aggressors. She has been overpowered by students.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  She has had to have surgery because a student has, has injured her. So you’ve got lots of students in many schools that are bigger than the teachers.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah.

Farron Cousins:                  So you get two or three of them gang up on a small little teacher, suddenly this gun is in the hands of three kids who can now take a whole classroom hostage.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay. So that’s one, that’s one madness story coming out of Ohio. But there’s another one. We gotta talk about this. The Ohio lawmakers, they, they advance this idea that trans sports ban, there needs to be a genital check to make sure that this girl who’s saying that she is trans woman or trans female is actually a trans female. How do, so, so this is, this is a law they’re trying to pass, what is it?

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah. They’ve.

Mike Papantonio:             Has it pass, has it passed?

Farron Cousins:                  It’s gone through the House.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  You know, we’ll see where it goes from here, but.

Mike Papantonio:             So how do they do this? How do they, how do they go about this?

Farron Cousins:                  This, this is so weird because okay, right now, the way the law is, you know, you, you gotta be a girl to play girl sports. You gotta be a boy to play boy sports. So you go and get your physical from a real normal doctor and the doctor sends the results saying, yes, Susie is a girl. Johnny’s a boy. Well, if the school looks at this and they say, you know what, though? I’m not so sure. Doc, I’m gonna have to do a genital inspection to make sure there’s, there’s no funny business here.

Mike Papantonio:             I mean, doesn’t that sound like a, doesn’t that sound like a train wreck from the very beginning?

Farron Cousins:                  It, it, it is, this would be Larry Nassar’s dream. You know, the guy that did the US gymnastics sexual assault.

Mike Papantonio:             Of course, of course.

Farron Cousins:                  Or, or, you know, Jerry Sandusky.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  From Penn State.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  That’s what this opens the door for. There is no reason for any of this. If you already have a doctor who has certified these people, even though it’s not even an issue in Ohio, I think they’ve had 16 transgender athletes in, you know, 30 years.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s symbolic, isn’t it?

Farron Cousins:                  It really is.

Mike Papantonio:             It’s symbolic to say we’re tired of all of this wokeness. I mean, that, that’s, that’s what this is about.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             And, and without ever really thinking, what does it do to the child? The child is called back and we gotta check to see if you’re really a girl. What does that do to that kid in school?

Farron Cousins:                  Well, everybody in a high school is gonna know if somebody gets called back for a genital inspection.

Mike Papantonio:             Mm-hmm.

Farron Cousins:                  You’re gonna have these administrators saying, well, she looks a little, her shoulders are a little too broad. Maybe, maybe it’s actually a, a guy.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay.

Farron Cousins:                  And so all of the students are gonna start mocking that other student.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. I mean, the child.

Farron Cousins:                  It’s ripe for abuse.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. The child doesn’t have a chance.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             I mean, really not a chance. But what’s so amazing is this, this has actually been enacted in, in half a dozen states.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah.

Mike Papantonio:             Throughout the country.

Farron Cousins:                  We’re, we’re standing in one right now that already has it.

Mike Papantonio:             Yeah. Right, right.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.