Via America’s Lawyer: New polls show more than 2 in 3 Americans have lost faith in the mainstream media, citing ideological biases in reporting. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss. Plus, Amazon can now be held liable for defective products purchased from its marketplace, including from third-party vendors. Legal journalist Mollye Barrows joins Mike Papantonio to discuss.


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Mike Papantonio: Prominent media outlets are losing employees rapidly as more and more reporters and journalists are no longer willing to put up with the bias of these outlets. Woo. Talk about this.

Farron Cousins: This is an interesting story, because this is now the third one. We had, Ariana Pekary from MSNBC recently resigned, wrote a scathing letter and saying there’s a bunch of intelligent people at MSNBC, absolutely no question. They’re also biased as hell. Now that’s a paraphrase of what she said.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Biased as hell was the exact term she used. Called it a cancer with no cure.

Farron Cousins: Right and that is what we have seen from MSNBC. We see it from Fox.

Mike Papantonio: Fox, you see at Fox, CNN, MSNBC cancer without a cure.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: And the problem you got here, this wasn’t the first story. You got Bari Weiss who, who’s story of.

Farron Cousins: The New York Times.

Mike Papantonio: New York Times. Who was it Andrew Sullivan also?

Farron Cousins: Right with the.

Mike Papantonio: New York magazine.

Farron Cousins: I believe so. Sullivan.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: New York magazine. Yeah. And he is Andrew Sullivan, everybody knows who Andrew Sullivan is.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah, or course.

Farron Cousins: But these people, some good, some bad I’ll admit that, but they’re all important voices, whether you agree with them or not and that’s the point. And that’s what all of these people have said. I don’t care if you agree with me, I don’t care. If you disagree with me, I have the right to say this with this outlet. But the outlet says, well, people don’t want to hear what you have to say, so we’re just going to silence you.

Mike Papantonio: How, how many times when I did the show with, with Ed Schultz, where we told no, we can’t do a story about TPP.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: Phil Griffith, the little character that, Phil Griffith would come. He would say, no, you can’t do a story about TPP because it’s gonna hurt Hillary. Hell, TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, we couldn’t talk about any of that because the advertisers didn’t want us to talk about it. So this woman says, you know what enough is enough MSNBC. I’m tired of being told what I can report and what I can’t report. It’s a, it’s, it’s a, I mean, if you listen to what she says, it’s really a lineup of hate, division thats being driven by the media. The ideological bias of CNN, ideological bias of Fox, they see it clearly and they’re saying I ain’t buying it anymore. This thing that’s supposed to take care of democracy is a disaster. Farron Cousins, thank you for joining me. Okay.

Farron Cousins: Thank you.

Mike Papantonio: A California appeals courts ruled that Amazon can be held liable for defective products sold on its marketplace. Legal journalist Mollye Barrows talks about that with me. Mollye, this is so long overdue.

Mollye Barrows: Yes.

Mike Papantonio: Okay. Amazon puts the product into the chain of commerce. Alright. As long as there’s no modification, no change to the product, there’s a term called strict liability. You’ve put it out there, you’ve stood behind it in terms of strict liability. It’s killed somebody, it’s injured somebody and now the ninth circuit has says, you know, I don’t think we’re gonna let Amazon get away with that anymore.

Mollye Barrows: That’s exactly right. And this came out of the appeals court in California. It’s based around a San Diego woman who ordered a, basically a replacement battery for her laptop through a third party seller on Amazon and when she received the battery, it exploded. It gave her third degree burns, caused her serious injuries, and she basically said, hey, I’m suing the manufacturer of this, the company that I bought this from, as well as Amazon, because you were negligent in allowing this product to be sold. And Amazon used the defense which it always uses because it’s faced other liability type lawsuits where they were being held responsible for damage or injuries that somebody received from a third party seller, and Amazon said what they said in those cases, which is, hey, yo, wait, we’re not a seller. We’re just providing you a platform to give you buyers and consumers and sellers a place to interact and exchange your, you know, to go through the selling process. Well, in this case, the court said, wait a second, Amazon, you’re in this every step of the way with this distribution process whether you want to call yourself a distributor or a facilitator or a seller, or even a retailer, your behavior is that of a seller.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Mollye Barrows: So you’re responsibility?

Mike Papantonio: There’s plenty, there’s plenty of examples of this with other companies over the years. I’m amazed that it’s taken this long to tell you the truth.

Mollye Barrows: Right.

Mike Papantonio: But it had to be, I suppose it had to be the right case with the right facts situation.

Mollye Barrows: Yes.

Mike Papantonio: But this is no different. I mean, if you listen to what the distributors, for example, in the opioid case had to say, they say, well, we just distributed it. We didn’t do anything. We didn’t make it.

Mollye Barrows: We didn’t know it was poisonous and addictive.

Mike Papantonio: We didn’t have, we didn’t have any idea what was really going on, we just distributed it. And so Amazon wants to say the same thing.

Mollye Barrows: That’s right.

Mike Papantonio: They want to say, oh no, we’re just putting it out there.

Mollye Barrows: We’re just a Craigslist.

Mike Papantonio: No due diligence, at all.

Mollye Barrows: Right.

Mike Papantonio: Isn’t that part of the problem?

Mollye Barrows: That’s exactly what the problem is. If you go into Lowe’s or Home Depot or any average retailer, if you will, and you buy a product and it hurts you, they’re just as responsible as the person who created the product, because they’re the re, the retailer, they’ve taken on that responsibility. That’s the way our laws work. And basically Amazon is not wanting to have that responsibility by saying, we’re not the seller. We’re not to be held responsible. We don’t have to go to this rigorous safety process to make sure that this products safe, like your average retailer would have to do that. So I imagine there’s a lot of reasons Amazon doesn’t want to, this is bad news for Amazon, for a number of reasons. 60% of their business, they say now is coming from these third party sellers. And people half the time when they go to Amazon, they don’t know the difference between Amazon marketplace, which is where you buy, you know, Amazon goods and then the other part, which is where you buy from third party sellers. And there’s a difference between the two and I don’t necessarily know.

Mike Papantonio: It’s a, it’s a big difference.

Mollye Barrows: But there is big difference and that’s what they’re trying to say. We might be responsible for the products that we sell, but we’re not responsible for the products that these third parties do, but they’re involved in it every step of the way, of the selling process.

Mike Papantonio: Well, actually now it’s getting ready to get a little more monstrous because now, Amazon is basically stealing the ideas of other manufacturers. In other words, they’re able to keep up with the metrics. How does this product sell?

Mollye Barrows: That’s right.

Mike Papantonio: It sells really well, so now we’re going to go make that product that look, this is a company that’s closed down mom and pop stores all over the country.

Mollye Barrows: Yes. Gobbled them up.

Mike Papantonio: That’s not enough for them. Now they have to, now they have to actually gobble up the people who are trying to do business with them by saying, sell my product and they say, hey, I really like that. Amazon says we can sell a lot of those based on our sales information.

Mollye Barrows: That’s right. Well, and it’s interesting you bring that up because actually the court in this decision said as much, because they were saying, hey, you want to claim that you’re just a platform in providing the space for the business to occur. You’re not, you’re behaving like a seller and here’s part of the reason why. You’re basically using this data that you’re getting from who’s going to buy what, and you’re placing your ads where people are going to be inclined to buy this particular product. So don’t, you can’t actively advertise it. You can’t use the data that you’re collecting off people to know what’s selling well and what isn’t. You can’t say no, when you have a problem with the product, you can’t go through the third party seller, you’ve got to go through Amazon. They package it, they store it, they warehouse it. They keep the seller from the buyer in many ways and so you can’t have all that and say you’re not responsible.

Mike Papantonio: This, this case has potential to take Amazon back to reality. This is a reality check for them, they better pay attention. Mollye, thank you for joining me. Okay.

Mollye Barrows: Thanks Pap.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.