Via America’s Lawyer: Countless small businesses have clamored for federal PPP loans to support their livelihoods, yet billions of dollars are given instead to organizations like the Catholic Church and businesses closely tied to lawmakers. Mike Papantonio & Farron Cousins discuss. Then, corruption cases arise in City Halls across the country, exposing bribery and fraud scandals among local officials. Mike Papantonio is joined by Brigida Santos to explain more.


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Mike Papantonio: Many businesses connected to lawmakers took huge sums of money from the PPP funds set up by Congress. And so did the Catholic church and there’s plenty of corruption to go around and we’re going to talk about it. I’ve got Farron Cousins from the trial lawyer magazine, Farron, I suppose the most agonizing thing about this to me, with the Catholic church taking in more than $3 billion. Okay. More than $3 billion is because they brought it on themselves.

Farron Cousins: Right.

Mike Papantonio: With the, if they, if there’s another abuse scandal, you know, it’s, it’s never a surprise. You hear about it every day. And I think they’ve paid some ungodly. I’m almost 600, I mean, the numbers are staggering, $600 million in just, in payoffs to people who have been victims of abuse, and now they’re saying, well, we want PPP money.

Farron Cousins: Right. That’s, that’s hundreds of million dollars so far, just this year, just in 2020.

Mike Papantonio: Yes, yes, yes.

Farron Cousins: And so then, you know, once the pandemic hit, church’s had to close down. And so the Catholic church sent its lobbyists to Washington DC something that I didn’t even know they had or that they needed. But the Catholic church puts their army of lobbyists, millions of dollars worth, sends them to DC before the first relief package gets passed. And they said, make sure we can get some of this money. Everybody knew lots of money was coming. Catholic church wanted it because they needed it as you said, because they had to pay off all of these assault cases.

Mike Papantonio: And they continue to pay.

Farron Cousins: Right.

Mike Papantonio: So, basically taxpayers gave them money to pay off their assault cases from these, from these bishops and such that are still in the business. I mean, they’re still doing business. What was it, Pope, Pope Francis says to, to, to one of them, he says, listen, you just need to go and for 20 years you need to make amends with God. Not, you need to go to prison for what you’ve done. You just need to make amends with God. I mean, that’s still the mentality and we paid them $3 billion, probably more.

Farron Cousins: Right that we know of. And that’s the, that’s the scariest part of it is that that’s all that we know of. The reports say that the real number is likely much, much higher than that. But it is very important to understand that they spent millions to get these billions. And they are the ones, the Catholic church’s lobbyists who made it to where they were eligible and other religious organizations in this country were eligible for these PPP loans. You were supposed to not get them if you had more than 500 employees, they created the exception for religious institutions. They should not have gotten any of this. They didn’t need it. You have some churches that got their hands on this money. One of them in particular that just spent $70 million on a new glass cathedral. They waste money. This money is not going to be spent on helping the homeless or helping the poor or feeding the hungry. This is for their own greed, their own selfishness and their own corruption is what they’re using it for.

Mike Papantonio: Well, when you go to Italy and you see these monstrosity buildings that they’ve built there in the Vatican and you realize that’s being paid for by $20 here and $20 there of people all over the world. It’s, it’s, it’s really kind of a sad story. I mean, it all, it honestly, as you walk through those buildings there at the Vatican and you see gold everywhere, and you know, pictures of little male naked cherubs everywhere. I mean, you know, you go what’s, what is it that they’re not connecting with? That the rest of the American public thinks this is wrong. And I think that is, this story gets out there, they’re going to think this is wrong. Why are we giving this, why are taxpayers paying for church business anyway? You see.

Farron Cousins: Yeah. At at time when we have real small businesses that needed this money that are having to close their doors for good.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: You know, they were employing people in the community providing a good or a service to that community. The real, you know, politicians always tell small businesses are the backbone of this country. They let them die because they got influenced by these lobbyists, gave billions to pay off sexual assault lawsuits.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. I know.

Mike Papantonio: A wave of city hall corruption cases across the country expose America’s pay to play problem. RT’s, Brigida Santos joins me now to talk about how politicians sell out taxpayers for personal gain. No surprise there, Brigida. We’ve seen it’s an age old story, but it seems to be getting worse. You’re based in Los Angeles where city officials have been charged with federal crimes. What can you tell me about what’s going on out there?

Brigida Santos: Well, LA city Councilman José Huizar has been charged with one count of conspiring to violate the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act better known as RICO for allegedly selling the city to several real estate developers, including the wealthy head of a Chinese company, seeking to build a 77 story skyscraper downtown. In exchange for approving or stalling, large building projects Huizar reportedly received more than one and a half million dollars in bribes and perks, including campaign contributions, lavish dinners and stacks of casino chips. The city Councilman has represented the 14th district covering East Los Angeles and downtown LA since 2005 and has chaired the planning and land use management committee, which he was forced to step down from in the wake of this investigation. If convicted Huizar faces up to 20 years in federal prison.

Mike Papantonio: You know, to me, this, this has a broader involvement than just this one case. For example, when, when you, you had the Russians start spending money in the UK, this, they started spreading money everywhere around the UK. And you started seeing these types of corruption cases evolve. You’re now seeing studies where the Mexican cartel is starting to spread out money through parts of California. And, you know, if you take a look at what’s happened in Mexico with their influence with that money, look, these are politicians that get sucked into that more and more. We’re going to see it. This is a good example. Chinese came in, they wanted to build, they, you know, they don’t follow, they don’t need to follow our laws. They’ll spread money around where they want to spread money around. And that’s what we’re seeing a big, a big way it seems like in California right now. Were any other LA officials involved in this, this case?

Brigida Santos: Yeah. While Councilman Huizar is accused by the FBI of being the mastermind, mind behind the scheme, at least four other people have agreed to plead guilty in connection with the case, including former LA city councilman Mitchell Englander, who stepped down from the city’s governing body during the investigation. Now Englander has been accused of obstructing the inquiry, accepting a paper cup filled with $10,000 in cash from a real estate business person, taking thousands more in cash and of accepting escort services. Englander also sat on the city council’s planning committee and served as a reserve officer with the LAPD. He phases up to five years in prison. So you can see how widespread this problem is.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah, well it’s widespread and I can’t again, you’re seeing more and more stories where they’re drawing parallels. And for example, there are third world countries where there is, there is no police department that’s not corrupt. There is no politician that’s not corrupt. The judiciary is corrupt. The media is corrupt. That’s what money does when it starts being spread around in a big way. That’s what’s getting ready to happen to you in California with some of the cartel money being spread around. And I got to tell you the same thing’s happening in places like New Jersey and Atlanta. In recent weeks, similar city hall corruption cases have popped up in those places, New Jersey and Atlanta. How are politicians pedaling influence in exchange for money? What’s their new game?

Brigida Santos: Yeah, since the end of June current and former public officials at opposite ends of the country have been charged in sweeping corruption cases, exposing the willingness of politicians to sell the authority of their public office for personal gain. These cases in San Francisco, Atlanta and New Jersey involve shady backdoor deals with envelopes, paper bags and cups of money delivered in restaurants, parking lots, political fundraisers, campaign headquarters, and even in hotel bathrooms. And it’s on both sides of the aisle. You have Republican and Democratic public officials taking bribes and engaging in fraud, money laundering, tax evasion and more in exchange for granting contracts and jobs to those who pay to play. These cases are very similar. Government contracts are supposed to go to the companies that do the best work for the lowest price since taxpayers are the ones footing the bill, but there is not enough oversight and there are far too many loopholes that give way to this rampant corruption.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Politics and corruption has long been a story in LA, but I just think there’s another aspect to it, to where it’s almost reaching that level where when we analyze the lack of law in a third world country, we’re kind of seeing similarities right now here in the US. Thank you for joining me. Okay.

Brigida Santos: Thanks Mike.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.