Via America’s Lawyer: A recent court ruling determined Saudi Arabia is NOT off the hook for its role in the 9/11 attacks, as victims and families continue to seek justice. Also, the mainstream media has all but silenced the story of Joe Biden’s former staffer Tara Reade accusing him of sexual assault. Plus, municipalities across the U.S. are now enforcing quarantines to keep restless residents of other states from fleeing across county lines. Mike Papantonio and Farron Cousins discuss.


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Mike Papantonio: Saudi Arabia can’t hide from a 9/11 victim lawsuit that a judge said last week is going to go forward. I have Farron Cousins with me, editor of the trial lawyer magazine. What a great ruling.

Farron Cousins: Right.

Mike Papantonio: I mean, this judge all the way along the way has been very methodical about this case and it’s going to take place. Give me your take.

Farron Cousins: Well, you know, this is a case that’s been fought for well over a decade at this point, almost coming up on two decades and it’s still having to work its way through there because again, there’s a lot of intricacies in this case. There’s a lot of things that have to be proven just for it to be able to move forward. But what’s so significant about this particular ruling is that the day before this judge in the United States ruled this, you had officials over in Turkey that issued an indictment to 20 Saudi nationals for the death or murder of Jamal Khashoggi. So now we’re finding out a little bit more about how Khashoggi himself was actually connected to this 9/11 victims case.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah. Well, you know what’s interesting about this story to me, and he was talking to the lawyers who are bringing this case. He was giving them, he was kind of a whistleblower, deep throat source of information months before he was murdered by the Saudi Royal family there. There I’ve said it, it was the Saudi Royal family. It wasn’t these five knuckleheads that they’ve now said were responsible. There was a secret trial that they had, closed doors, secret trial. Interestingly enough, no mention of the Royal family being involved. The Royal family was a huge part of it. They’re the ones that arranged for the Saudis to leave the United States after the 9/11 attack.

Farron Cousins: Right, and so hopefully as this thing plays out, which is probably going to take years. You know, anybody who’s expecting rapid results on this, this takes time. But, but it’s going to be worth it because we still have to flesh out. Saudi Arabia’s complete role. We know, you know, most of the hijackers in 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia. There is evidence to suggest that Saudi Arabia had been funding them, you know, funding other organizations and that’s part of what Khashoggi wanted to find out and he was working with these lawyers. He had uncovered evidence of witness intimidation with this particular case. So he was doing what a good journalist does and Saudi Arabia has essentially a zero tolerance for that and that’s, they took the bone saw to him.

Mike Papantonio: What I love about this judge is she says, even on the intimidation, she says, look, I met with the lawyers. They gave me the information in camera. I’m letting this proceed and the, the, the point is this all rolls right to the, to the Royal family. That’s where it’s going. And, you know the, the truth, the truth is, the most bothersome is the US intelligence operatives that have all this, all this information won’t share it. They won’t share it with the Turkish government. They won’t even help with the 9/11 case. Very, very troublesome.

Farron Cousins: Right. We’re having to have trial lawyers come in and weed through the facts. Journalists and other governments, because the US government has been less than worthless on this.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah, yeah.

Mike Papantonio: A former staffer has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault and the media is refusing to talk about this. This, this story makes me so angry along with so many of the other stories out of there right now. But here you have, they have got, they’re stonewalling this woman who’s come forward with Tara Reade, they’ve stonewalled her since 1993. The media won’t touch it and they’re still ignoring Tara Reade, even though they’re wit, she, the day, day it occurred, she went and told her brother, she went and told two other witnesses. This isn’t a made up story. They’re protecting this knucklehead who, you know, the Democrats are so sold on him that they’re going to let this, they’re going to let us ride.

Farron Cousins: They, they absolutely are and at this point they’re actually trying to downplay it and say, okay, well even if it’s true, hasn’t Donald Trump been accused of doing this to more women than Joe Biden? It’s essential, we’ve seen the hashtag the lesser of two rapists, and that’s actually to mock these corporatists who are trying to make this argument here. And listen, we don’t know necessarily did this happen, did it not. This, this needs to be investigated, but we have to put the benefit of the doubt in the woman here and that’s what Joe Biden himself has said in the past.

Mike Papantonio: You know what’s really troubling too about it is TimesUp. TimesUp as an organization that’s tied into the whole me too organization. TimesUp, ties directly to Joe Biden through the PR people who run Biden’s campaign. All right. She goes to them. Tara Reade goes to TimesUp under the same kind of story everybody else has.

Farron Cousins: In 2019.

Mike Papantonio: In 2019 this happened to me. They ignore her. They say, we’re not going to do, they refuse to do the story. We’re not going to do this story because Joe Biden was already gonna to be the, you know, part of the promise land for the Democrats. Interesting. You, you, you do stories on this pretty regularly. What’s the response you get from the, I mean, the boneheads out there that are just so Democrat. They’re so tied to being their only identity, their only tribal identity is I’m a Democrat and they stop thinking beyond that. Tell us about some of the responses you’ve gotten.

Farron Cousins: We’ve gotten a lot of emails from people saying, you know, you can’t, you can’t discuss this. I had somebody tell me the other day, it was my job to support Joe Biden. That they were emailing me to tell me what my job was allegedly supposed to be. But, but the truth is here. This is a story. This is a real thing that Joe Biden has not had to address because the media is not asking him about it. He has done countless interviews since this story emerged and not once has anybody asked him, hey, you have been accused of this. You want to give us your side of the story maybe?

Mike Papantonio: Let me be specific about that. CNN has a town hall meeting. Okay. They can ask him anything they want. They ask him about everything except this after the story had broken. Chuck Todd, MSNBC. Chuck Todd has him on this very personal kind of interview. He’s talking about everything, everything about his life. But he never asks him one time about this woman who has accused, made, made this accusation that is legitimate. There’s no, I mean, if it’s not like there were no witnesses. Okay. There were no direct witnesses, but that day she went and talked to people. She told them what happened and when they, when she tried to push back, she met a total stonewall.

Remember Joe Biden is the guy who crucified Anita Hill. Okay. Don’t forget that, that is being part of the story. Anyway. CNN, MSNBC, the Intercept, thank goodness, again, comes to help. Intercept, you know, I think to me right now in journalism, it is the standard. Intercept comes in, ignores CNN, ignores MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CNN. Jimmy Kimmel has Joe Biden on the air. Oh, they’re talking about feel good stuff. They’re chumming chumming it up. Kimmel that day, the story breaks, everybody knows about it. Kimmel doesn’t ask one question about it.

Farron Cousins: Right and you also have to give a lot of credit to Katie Halper from the Katie Halper show. She’s the first one to really talk to Tara Reade and air that interview. Krystal Ball over at the Hill rising on the Hill has done it as well and that’s what needs to happen. But these independent media outlets, the non-corporate owned who do not, you know, engage in this kind of tribalism. They’re out there talking about this story. They’re telling people, listen, this is a thing that, and nobody saying yes, 100% he definitely did it.

Mike Papantonio: Oh, but it’s real.

Farron Cousins: But it is. This is an allegation. Joe Biden himself has said, we got to believe women. All of his defenders right now have said, we got to believe women and here it is when it’s not politically convenient. Let’s not believe women.

Mike Papantonio: Here’s the list of people’s stone, organizations stonewall. ABC, stonewall. NBC, stonewall. CNN, stonewall. Jimmy Kimmel specific, stonewall. Anderson Cooper, stonewall. Chuck Todd, stonewall. I could go on forever. These are people that call themselves journalists. They’re, they’re jokes and, and, and until somebody gives this woman a chance to tell her story, the public can hear it, the, the joke continues.

Mike Papantonio: States are starting to implement quarantines to, to cut down on out-of-state travelers who are trying to escape quarantines in their hometown. Happened right here in Pensacola, right? Louisiana, man, they’re lined up in droves coming to Pensacola and DeSantis little too late. Right?

Farron Cousins: Right, you know, he finally said, okay, we’ll put up this checkpoint at the border. If you’re coming from Louisiana, 14 day quarantine. If you’re flying in from New York or New Jersey, 14 day quarantine and those are the kinds of things that, it seems harsh, I’m sure to some people, but we have to do this. If you want to flatten that curve, as they say, if you want to make this thing go away and prevent infections, you have to keep people from these high risk areas, from traveling all over the world. That’s how the thing spread to begin with and there’s some people out there saying, well, we’re losing our freedoms over this. No, you’re not losing anything. But if you don’t listen to this, if you try to violate these quarantines, you’re risking your life. You’re risking the life of everybody else you come in contact with.

Mike Papantonio: Okay, so here’s part of the Louisiana story. The mayor literally comes out, the mayor comes out, well nobody told me we shouldn’t do Mardi Gras. This was weeks into the, weeks into this. The federal government didn’t tell me we shouldn’t do this. So we did it anyway. So you have thousands of people infected over there. Now they’re trying to get the hell out. They’re trying to go everywhere they can. Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Pensacola, Florida, you cross the bridge here, there’s Louisiana lined up to try to get in. And what’s so crazy is DeSantis says, well, you know what? We’re going to, we’re going to impose a quarantine. It’s going to be voluntary.

So they’re stopped, literally, these people are being stopped on interstate 10 is they come in, they’re being questioned, and then DeSantis says, well, we’re letting them go, but we’re going to follow up on their voluntary quarantine. He’s letting them fly in from New York into the airports saying, well, we’re gonna let them voluntarily quarantine. Now what are the chances of that actually happening? This guy has been behind from the, from the very start. He, DeSantis has been so behind on the beach issue. Where he left the beaches open. Now he’s letting this, this virus just come in by way of tourism because I suppose he thinks it’s good, you know, I suppose good for the economy right now.

Farron Cousins: Right, and on Sunday, you know, they issued this stay at home order for Florida and then you read more into it. You find out, oh this is only for South Florida because over the weekend it was announced you had this huge breakout of coronavirus at the villages and I’m sure a lot of people who’ve never even been to Florida know what the villages is.

Mike Papantonio: Well explain it.

Farron Cousins: That is a hot spot. It is a retirement community, it is very right wing. It is also rather wealthy. Most presidential candidates on the right always go down and they do speeches at the villages and now they’ve got a massive outbreak. So now DeSantis realizes, oh my God, that’s my base. Those are my voters. If these people get sick and die off, we’re talking about a political shift in this country that can’t be undone.

Mike Papantonio: Since the beginning he’s been chasing voters. He’s been chasing voters. He’s been chasing money for contributors. That’s why he didn’t close the beaches. He closed the beaches, interestingly enough in West Palm beach, but didn’t close the beaches anywhere else in Florida until after it was way, way out of control. So I, I, you know, all, all along the way he’s been behind the power curve and you just gotta wonder is it just because of, is it just a lack of experience in decisiveness? What’s your take?

Farron Cousins: I think a lot of it has to do with inexperience. Indecisiveness is a huge thing too, because you don’t want to, if you’re on the right side of this and the right is downplaying it a little more than, you know, the left at this point. So politics do come into play. You don’t want to freak people out. You don’t want to be on the opposite side of the president when he was saying this is not a big deal. He’s changed his tune now and so DeSantis was going along with that and always remaining one step behind.

Mike Papantonio: Rhode Island, don’t you love it? The governor of Rhode Island says, look, we’ve got all these New Yorkers coming to Rhode Island. They’re sending people door to door to find out if people are seeking refuge in Rhode Island. So then Cuomo says, you can’t do that. That’s discriminating against New Yorkers. So she says, fine, I’m going to go door to door and find out about any people they’ve traveled into Rhode Island to escape hotspots of this virus. That’s hands on. That is, that’s hands on.

Farron Cousins: Well, and you have to be that way.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: And look, it’s going to be rough. But if we do this, if we sit tight for two, three, four weeks.

Mike Papantonio: It can.

Farron Cousins: We can knock this thing out and go back to normal. But if we don’t, we’re looking at months and months of this.

Mike Papantonio: Farron, thank you for joining me. Okay.

Farron Cousins: Thank you.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.