Let’s not forget, we’re still actively bombing around the globe and defense contractors are making more money than they have made in generations. Ring of Fire’s Mike Papantonio and Farron Cousins discusses this issue.
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Mike Papantonio: There’s been a ton of coverage of US domestic policy recently, and what the US is doing overseas is being largely ignored, but let’s not forget, we’re still actively bombing around the globe and defense contractors are making more money than they have made in generations. So this story that’s developing right now is I’m looking at, as I’m looking at this story, I’m thinking about how sometimes you watch MSNBC.
We’ve talked about this, you’ll watch CNN, you’ll watch one of the other shows and you’ll see you’ll see a Boeing missile advertisement and we’ve talked about this, but I think this really makes an important point. You’ll see a Boeing missile advertised on MSNBC. Now you have to ask yourself, am I going to go buy a Boeing missile? No, of course not, but it’s on MSNBC because Phil Griffin who runs MSNBC likes the advertising dollars and he’s willing to chum up a war at the drop of a hat. One war they’ve been chumming up,
I really do believe. I can, you can argue with me. I know you don’t totally buy into what I’m selling you. I think there’s a direct connection here. This descent between Russia and the US. It started off as a political, you know, you had Hillary lose and Podesta was shown to be the idiot that we’ve always said Podesta is. And the next thing that happens is the arms industry gets involved in the discussions. Says, yeah, they’re pretty bad. We maybe need another Cold War.
Well, and then you have Democrats out there that buy into it. I mean, like lemmings, Russia’s bad, Russia’s bad another, you know, they hacked our election. That’s not where the weapons industry really cared. They didn’t care about hacking elections. The weapons industry wanted to sell more weapons. And if you have a good old fashioned Cold War baby, you sell a lot of weapons. Well, what’s your take on this story? This, this increase in international killing by the weapons industry.
Farron Cousins: Seventeen years straight now, we’ve been bombing all around the world ever since, you know, the first year of the Bush administration basically, bombing everywhere. This, this is not a Democrat thing. This is not a Republican thing. This is the way the United States is type thing. We’re spending what is this, just in 2017, $750 billion to the Pentagon, which then handed $350 billion of that, to the weapons industry. You’re talking to, you know, GE, Raytheon, Boeing, all the usual suspects because they need wars and yeah, they would love a war in Russia, which would be one of the dumbest things we could ever ever do.
Mike Papantonio: China or Russia, that they would love a war in either place.
Farron Cousins: But since they, you know, can’t get that thank, thank God. They’re more than happy to just keep bombing the Middle East because as a whole, the US doesn’t necessarily care about that. They can’t point to where Yemen is on a map. They don’t know as Gary Johnson, the libertarian, they don’t know what Aleppo is. So sure.
Mike Papantonio: They think it’s a dog food.
Farron Cousins: Right, if we, if we just bombed somebody or we’re launching these airstrikes, it obviously means it’s because there was a bad guy over there and we probably got him. That’s all they know. They don’t understand, war is an industry. War, fighting death, those are profits for these companies that as you point out, you do see.
Mike Papantonio: War is one of the biggest industries in the country in America and has been for a long time.
Farron Cousins: Always.
Mike Papantonio: So if you figure you give $750 billion dollars to the Pentagon, by the way, during a time where the Pentagon said, I don’t really think we need that much money, do you remember that? Well, I don’t, we don’t really need that much money. Keep your money. Well, the weapons industry came in and said, no, give us $350 billion dollars and by golly, a good old fashioned Cold War with Russia would be would be just perfect.
Now what bothered me and I, I liked it because you and I haven’t really got into a lot of detail in this discussion, but what, what was your reaction to people who should know better? For you’re, you’re a millennial. Okay. Millennials are pretty well informed, I think. I mean, they find all their information on social media.
They could see it. I mean they could see it that this whole Russia thing, you know, we got the Russia’s bad. We got to start a war with Russia. We’re going to start a potential war with China because, well gee, well the trade deficit is, but who is it that’s behind that? We always, the money always leads to the weapons industry. Why is it that the rank and file Democrat got sucked into this thing that was started really as a hoax? I mean, did the Russians hack? Of course they did.
I don’t have any question that they did. Do we go to start a new Cold War because of that? Because Hillary lost. No, but you have them in droves out there that really don’t even, it’s like they don’t understand how they have drank this kool aid. What is your take on it? I just, I want to know what, whether I’m too far off on that analysis because it, it makes me crazy that these, these people who think they’re well informed don’t. It’s right before their eyes and they don’t even see what happened.
Farron Cousins: There’s a lot of progressives out there that understand that, you know, Donald Trump may or may not have been in contact with Russia. I mean at this point it actually is looking like they were in contact with the Seychelles and the United Arab Emirates, but don’t talk about that, that’s the Russia thing. And, and there is evidence that they were able to get into the voting systems in the US. But as of right now, we still don’t have firm evidence that anything was changed.
Mike Papantonio: So who benefits?
Farron Cousins: The defense industry. But, but here’s the other thing too though, when they talk about, well, what about, what about all those ads they bought on Facebook and the memes they posted. If look, if that swung an election than we deserved it to swing an election because we’re idiots.
Mike Papantonio: Was it $100,000 worth of memes?
Farron Cousins: Right. So look, I think on that front, that is absolutely stupid. If you think you’re going to prove collusion with Russia, even if it happened and you have all the documents saying it happened, that’s still virtually impossible to even prove it happened.
Mike Papantonio: But that’s the heart of this story, don’t you see.
Farron Cousins: It is.
Mike Papantonio: Because the weapons industry took up, took off on that stupidity and now they, they literally had been trying to start a war with Russia so they can sell more weapons. And you know, these cats out there that think they’re so informed and they’re so insightful and they understand what’s happening.
It’s almost like they’ve never read a Howard Zen book. They’ve never read Chalmers Johnson about empire building and the, in the arms industry. And that’s when I think to me it’s one of, it’s one of the biggest disappointments that I’ve had, as I’ve watched this politically since it started unfolding and we, you know, we still get emails from these numb nuts.
They’ve never read Chalmers Johnson about empire building and the, in the arms industry. And that’s when I think to me it’s one of, it’s one of the biggest disappointments that I’ve had, as I’ve watched this politically since it started unfolding and we, you know, we still get emails from these numb nuts.
Farron Cousins: Well look $350 billion to private defense contractors last year. We could have given a hell of a lot of people health insurance.
Mike Papantonio: Yeah. I’m Mike Papantonio here with Farron Cousins, watching Ring of Fire. We’ll be right back.