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Via America’s Lawyer: Mike Papantonio and Farron Cousins, Trial Magazine Executive Editor discuss a recent article by Suzanne Spaulding, former Homeland Security official, who took aim at RT and America’s Lawyer specifically; for pointing out the flaws in the U.S. Justice System.


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Mike Papantonio: RT has been in the cross hairs of the establishment for several years and that’s okay. There have been countless smears against the network for their coverage, but not a single critique says that the network is being dishonest. In fact, establishment types are actually angry at RT for telling the truth. Recently, a former official at the Department of Homeland Security, again took aim at the network and our show specifically for calling out the flaws in our justice system. So we’re taking a closer look at this official and the group she’s aligned with and I have Farron Cousins to do that with me. Farron has got, has researched this, really we’ve just started having we?

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: But the further I look into Suzanne Spaulding, I understand why she would be upset about this program because what we do is we tell stories about corporate America when they steal from mom and pop pension programs. We tell stories when they destroy an ecosystem where they’re toxic chemicals. We talk about them when they price gouge with pharmaceuticals and they put pharmaceuticals on the market that kill people.

You know, we talk about those stories that Suzanne Spaulding, I promise you has never talked about in her life, nor has she given speeches about how bad Wall Street was when they burned the entire economy down. Cost us what, $8 trillion dollars. So you looked at this person, I did too, give me your take.

Farron Cousins: Well, Suzanne Spaulding is exactly the kind of person you would expect to be going after a show or a network that attacks corporations because she’s funded in her private career now by these same corporations. The groups she is aligned with, The Center for Strategic International Studies, is funded by virtually every corporation we have ever taken on…

Mike Papantonio: Yeah.

Farron Cousins: On this program. I mean, as you go through and look at the funders of that group, I’ve got files on every single one of them on just all the crimes they’ve committed in the last few years and that’s what she’s all about. So that’s why she’s so angry right now.

Mike Papantonio: God forbid we should talk about Lockheed when they break the law or Northrop Grumman or Boeing or General Dynamics or Raytheon or Exxon or; these are people we talk about and you know what, that’s what we’re supposed to do. Because journalism where it comes to these types of stories, most of the time corporate TV and corporate radio can’t tell the stories here because, you know, advertisers don’t let them do it.

But what I was most interested in, I’d love to sit down with Suzanne Spaulding, and just talk about who she talks to. I look at, it is a who’s who of corporate CEOs that have been involved in every kind of iteration of corruption in some form or fashion. The CEOs of the business round table now, can you imagine you’re in the room with the CEOs of the business round table.

They represent Chamber of Commerce. They represent all of these companies that are paying money to Suzanne Spaulding to be their mouthpiece. That’s all she is. She has probably a, she has a security clearance I’m sure, I would hope she still has a security clearance. And so she’s able to show up at these meetings with these business types and say I know what’s going on and she’s able to say to Boeing and and the missile manufacturers, you know, I can probably stir up some real problems about Russia or China or Iran.

It’s like Wag the Dog. You saw the movie Wag the Dog where you have this entity that actually stirs up war. Well, that’s what she’s a part of in real life. That’s who these people are.

Farron Cousins: Yeah, absolutely. You know, when you look at all the defense contractors that pay her, the fact that the groups she’s with, the CSIS, they get 19 percent of their funding from the US government.

They’re also getting money from the United Arab Emirates. They’re getting money from Qatar, they’re getting money from Saudi Arabian oil companies and that is who she’s out there representing. Those are the people we go after. The network goes after exposing the crimes, the criminality, everything.

Mike Papantonio: The war machine.

Farron Cousins: Right, the war machine.

Mike Papantonio: Okay. So my position has always been this and you’ve followed this position. It’s like after Podesta blew it, I mean John Podesta and Mook and all those fellows that were working with the Clintons, they blew it. They were incompetent. They blew it because they simply didn’t have the ability to win an election against even Donald Trump. How do you lose an election against Donald Trump? They did it.

So when they come out, everybody says, you know, we probably would’ve been better off with Bernie. And they say, no, it wasn’t really that. It wasn’t the candidate that was so bad.

It was as those darn Russians were involved in trying to hijack the election. Well, let’s assume they hacked. I, they probably did. Did that change the election? Then all of a sudden this narrative is out there. Okay, Russia did these bad things. Who walks into it? The arms industry and all of a sudden she says, oh, this is an opportunity. I can really blow up this issue about Russia. I can start a new cold war if I have to. That’s really what is happening here.

Farron Cousins: Well it is, because she is a so called cybersecurity expert, so she goes around again and her, her private job here, she speaks to CEOs, she speaks to business organizations and it’s her job to sell the fear. As the cybersecurity expert who as you pointed out, she likely still has her security clearance. That is a big moneymaker for former, you know, intelligence officials to be able to go to corporations and say, listen, I have a security clearance.

I know what’s really going on out here and if you want to address the problem, you got to do it now. I’m the one who can lead the way. Just pay my small consulting fee and we’ll make sure everything’s okay because if you don’t, let me tell you Russia is, Russia is out there and they’re telling the truth and that’s bad for you.

Mike Papantonio: It’s bad because corporations are now under the light.

Farron Cousins: Yeah.

Mike Papantonio: They’re under the light where in the past MSNBC is not going to do a story on Wall Street when they commit the level of corruption. Or the banks when they actually steal money from mom and pop and then they have to pay a billion dollar fine and nobody goes to jail. Is NBC or ABC or CBS really going to do a story on that? Or how about the pharmaceutical industry when they price gouge to the tune of 20,000 percent increase mark up in a drug that people have to have.

And then that drug, oh by the way, shuts down a person’s kidneys. Is corporate media going to do the story? And the answer is no. So where do you go? You go after the social media sites that do the story and you say, oh, they’re causing an angst about democracy. They’re critical of our system. And therefore there must be some elegant, kind of really calm, really this program to attack American democracy. And it’s must be the Russians. Well, you love democracy. I love democracy. You love capitalism. I love capitalism. We don’t talk about the people who do it right. We talk about people who do it wrong, right?

Farron Cousins: Right. And here’s the thing too, kind of building on your point there, is what are all those other networks right now trying to do? The twitters and the Facebooks. They’re trying to crack down.

They’re trying to squeeze people out who you know, oh, well this person’s a little too controversial. Yes, some of them definitely are, but then you’ve got all these honest people, these actual independent news organizations getting shut out of the conversation NBC is not getting shut out. Fox isn’t getting shut out. CNN isn’t. And it helps to drive that corporate media narrative. And that’s the part of the, you know, Facebook censorship story that everybody’s missed as well because it’s not affecting these corporate media outlets.

Mike Papantonio: We have seen war pimps before.

Farron Cousins: Right.

Mike Papantonio: Okay, that’s what these people are, they’re war pimps. We saw the war pimps in Iraq. You remember MSNBC, Joe Scarborough used to be my law partner for goodness sake. He’s on MSNBC. He’s told go sell the war. So they sell Iraq war. While they’re selling the war, it was probably far from coincidence, we see Boeing advertising on MSNBC. We see McDonnell Douglas advertising on MSNBC.

Now do you think the people watching MSNBC are going to go out and buy a Boeing missile? They were doing it because they wanted to buy access to corporate media. That’s what this woman’s doing. She’s doing it a different way. She’s a war pimp and these organizations; let me tell you where she has never shown up. She has never shown up to give a speech for an environmental advocacy group or a pharmaceutical advocacy group that tries to hammer down pharmaceutical companies that are stealing from the American public or causing harm to the American public.

She’s not the person that shows up with an advocacy group that says, you know what? We got to get Wall Street under control. She’s just the opposite. She’s there for Goldman Sachs. She’s there for Exxon. She’s there for Boeing.

She’s there for the corporations that are paying her money, and by golly, you know, they don’t like to hear stories like we do on America’s Lawyer. She actually, part of her criticism was directly America’s Lawyer.

Farron Cousins: Right, and you know where else she hasn’t shown up? She hasn’t shown up at any of the depositions you’ve done talking to the opioid pill suppliers who knew they were sending millions of pills to a town of about a thousand people. She didn’t show up in the Ohio River Valley to talk to the victims that were poisoned by DuPont. She hasn’t sat with anyone who developed cancer after handling Roundup. Instead, she’s talking to Monsanto. She’s talking to these major corporations and their help paying her salary today.

Mike Papantonio: She is, look this organization Aspen, the Aspen group, take a look at. It’s well, you’ll look at it and say, yeah, I kind of get it. Dick Cheney was invented, his whole Halliburton issue was put on the map by these very same kind of people. Anyway, it’s a conversation we’re going to continue to have and we’re going to, I want to continue drilling down on these organizations that she’s a part of.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.