Defense contractors are cashing in with administrations horrible immigration policies, and these policies won’t likely change as long as there’s money to be made. Ring of Fire’s Mike Papantonio and Farron Cousins discusses. 


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Mike Papantonio:             Defense contractors are again, cashing in with administrations horrible immigration policies, and these policies won’t likely change as long as there’s money to be made. Now, this is a story to me. I’ve looked at this story. The contractor, It’s just one contractor. MVM is where this, this case of the story focused MVM, MVM is a contractor.

They were a defense contractor, but now they’re saying, listen, we have this ability to handle all the problems with children crossing the border and then we have to be able to detain them, take care of them, make sure they eat right, have housing, and we’re the people to do that. Okay. Now, the interesting thing about that, what struck me about this story, it’s just another, this is another pigs at the trough for contractors. Okay. Pigs at the trough. What I mean is these people,

I don’t know if you know this right now, there are more multi, multimillion dollar homes around the Washington DC area right now than anytime in history. You know who they are, they’re defense contractors. Okay. They made so much money in Iraq and Afghanistan. They’re always looking for the next war. Okay. They’re the ones that were chumming up, yeah, let’s go to war with Russia, you know, over, you know, over Hillary’s election because it’s so important to us.

We cared so much about Hillary, let’s go to war. They’re the same people who are always making the big defense money. So now what we have is no, they’re making, they’re making a transition. Every time you see something like this border patrol, the border issue come up, you’re going to see these little characters coming out of Washington DC and saying, we’re perfectly suited to handle this kind of problem.

How many times have we seen it? I mean, whether it’s a national disaster, you know, contractors come in besides FEMA, it is just money. It is pigs at the trough and that’s what we have happening on the board right now already.

Farron Cousins:                  It is, and it’s a lot easier for these companies instead of having to go ship all their people over to Iraq or Afghanistan, where MVM this group you mentioned they were doing plenty of work over there. They were working for the CIA, logistics, security, all kinds of vague terms for government contracts, which is what they all do. So now they’re saying, hey, um, what we want to do is we want to take care of all these kids that you’re taking away from their parents when they cross the border. We’ve got tons of people who they know everything about kids.

Mike Papantonio:             Have you ever done it before? No. No. We’ve never done. We’ve never done this before, but we’re good war contractors.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, I took care of my nephew one day, I know how to do this. But, and so they’ve been posting all of these job postings that they’ve uncovered here that all deal with some kind of, you know, childcare. They’re trying to hire people left and right. Just all over the place in anticipation of these contracts, which they’ve now been awarded, I think a small one for about $8 million that’s going to go through 2022, so that shows you right there. There is no end in sight for this policy. It doesn’t matter who comes together. If you have Laura Bush and Obama and the Democrats saying, this is horrible. It’s pretty much set in stone. We’re handing out contracts for the next four, six years to do this. It’s going to continue.

Mike Papantonio:             They’re using, this a story we covered last week where we found out that during the Obama years that the level of abuse for these children was over the top right? I mean, the ACLU came out with these reports and the level of abuse during the entire Obama administration was so bad that people, you know, that not only were they losing children, we did a story where they, they literally don’t know where 1,500 children are, remember, right, right.

Farron Cousins:                  That’s from 2017, but the Obama, they tased them. They beat them. They didn’t allow them showers. That was starting in 2009 the year he took office.

Mike Papantonio:             Okay, so these contractors now are using that type of thing to say we really have a problem. We really care about these children. Yes, we’re used to working in, in a war environment.

We worked in Afghanistan, we worked in Iraq. How much money do they make an Iraq, just the contract? We did this, you did this story one time.

Farron Cousins:                  Yeah, a $138 billion dllars is just what the defense contractors made in only Iraq. That, that’s not even Afghanistan.

Mike Papantonio:             Almost $140 billion dollars.

Farron Cousins:                  Right, and about 15 percent of that the government already conceded was lost to waste, fraud, and abuse. Those three words, they always use waste, fraud, and abuse.

Mike Papantonio:             Right. Okay. For example, you remember the $12 billion dollars that disappeared. They ship in and they bring it in on C-130s, they ship in $12 billion dollars into Iraq and then they say, well they start asking questions where, where’s the money? And nobody knows where the money is because private contractors were handling that money too. Now you see these cases popped up there called whistleblower qui tam cases. There are more whistleblower cases that popped up just in the, in the Iraq case, the Iraq war than I’ve ever seen because it is a new way of doing business and that’s why there are those multi gazillion dollar homes all around Washington DC where these contractors and their lobbyists live.

So now what they’re going to do is they’re going to take the border case, they’re going to take this abuse of children that took place for eight years under Obama. They’re going to use that and say, well, we’re going to do. It’s going to be worse under Trump. You would think so. So we need you to hire us and we need another $140 billion dollars and I can, I got to tell you my projection on this case. If you look at the way they operate, it wouldn’t surprise me if by the time this is over, just taking care of these children under contractor rates will be $40 or $50 billion dollars.

Farron Cousins:                  Oh, absolutely and see what this also does though, why this is an attractive to any administration is because it then allows them to avoid the liability on it, you know, if a kid dies or if we torture them, which is, you know, reports are saying now is basically what’s happening.

ACLU has said it. The UN human rights council has said that, but if it’s a private contractor that shifts things a little bit, then you can say, look, I’m Jeff Sessions. I didn’t approve this. I didn’t know we put them in charge even though they hadn’t spent a day in their life taking care of children at this massive scale. I think the new tent city they’re trying to build could hold upwards of well over 1000, possibly as many as 5,000.

Mike Papantonio:             Important point and you raised it, but I don’t want to, I don’t want this point to be missed. They’re already contracting for another four years.

Farron Cousins:                  Right.

Mike Papantonio:             You see, they know this is going to go on. This is like a new trough, a new piggy trough for the contractors and you’re going to see them just being moved in there. Taxpayers are going to be killed. The kids, they’re supposed to be taking care of. We’re going to see stories that continue, you know, not as bad as what we saw the last eight years, I hope, but the stories that they tell the story about how contractors work.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.