Delta says, “We’re gonna end the contract that we have with the NRA where we fly your people to the annual convention for less money and some other things that we do for them. We’re gonna kill that contract.” Ring of Fire’s Mike Papantonio and Peter Mougey discuss this issue.


Mike Papantonio: I love what happened with this Georgia governor. The governor comes out and he says to Delta, he says … Delta Airlines, they’re in Georgia. I’m mean they’ve got 30 thousand employees in Georgia. So he says that we, Delta says, “We’re gonna end the contract that we have with the NRA where we fly your people to the annual convention for less money and some other things that we do for them. We’re gonna kill that contract.” So this governor, this Casey Cagle, who is an absolute nutcase, by the way, there’s plenty … Just Google the guy, you’ll see plenty of really nutty stories about this guy. He comes out and he says, “Well, if you do that, I’m gonna dry up your tax base. I mean, what I’m gonna do is you’re gonna end up, your tax base, in the sense that we give you all kinds of breaks. And we’re gonna take those breaks away. You’re not gonna get these tax breaks anymore.” What is your take on this case?

Peter Mougey: Well first of all, you got to applaud Delta. I mean just to even just stand up and say, “We’re not going to help push the NRA’s agenda. We’re not going to give them any breaks.” But I’ll tell you what, for any legislator to use their power to enforce their own position on the NRA against a business as large as Delta, it quite frankly shows you why we’re in the position that you are, that you can go buy an automatic rifle from one of these huge stores, ’cause everyone’s afraid of what the retaliation’s gonna be.

Mike Papantonio: All right, okay. Let’s talk about this a little bit more though. I mean, you know. First of all I really hope he pushes this ’cause 33 thousand voters-

Peter Mougey: Employees, right.

Mike Papantonio: Employees with Delta, and you know that they’re gonna be motivated to vote. So this guy needs to be voted out and he’s a complete, utter freak.

Peter Mougey: But you must think that by him doing this, that he’s actually gonna charge up his voter base. But that’s not what government’s supposed to do. The government’s not supposed to punish somebody for taking a stand.

Mike Papantonio: First, of all, it’s unconstitutional.

Peter Mougey: Absolutely. They’re there to protect the minority.

Mike Papantonio: Okay. Delta has a first amendment right to say, “There are things I do agree with and there are things I don’t agree with. And we don’t agree with what we’ve been doing in the past, and that’s giving NRA people a-”

Peter Mougey: A break.

Mike Papantonio: “A break on their travel. So we have the right to express that belief and that statement.” And so what they say is, “We’re not gonna do it anymore.” When a governor believes that he can then interfere with that constitutional right, and he then shows, we’re gonna punish you for your first amendment right. That is a whole different level of scrutiny that the court looks at when they say … This could end up, actually, with sanctions of the governor. I kinda hope he pushes this ’cause he’s a terrible … This guy’s a freak. I’m telling you, go look at Casey Cagle, republican in Atlanta, I mean in Georgia. You will see the guy’s got a history of nuts.

Peter Mougey: Think about what his next step is. Is it Dick’s Sporting Goods that just came out that we’re not gonna sell any more automatic rifles, and he say, ” I don’t like that. So I’ll tell you what I’m gonna do, same thing with Delta, I think you should be able to buy automatic rifles at Dick’s. We’re gonna take away some of your tax incentives that we gave you for buying property and you need to sell automatic rifles.” That’s not what his job is, to push his own political agenda and shove that first amendment right down Delta’s throat, or if Dick’s wants to stop selling automatic rifles, that he can push that agenda. That’s not what he’s there for, not what he’s intended to do.

Mike Papantonio: Yeah, as you see these stories, you’re gonna see a lot more corporations … What happened, and I love this part of the story, is there, on the internet now, you can go to ThinkProgress. And ThinkProgress gives you a list of people, depending on what your feeling about guns are. You may be a gun lover. Well, that’s your right. But there are people who disagree with basic things like, there ought to be a cooling off period when somebody buys a gun. You ought to be able to be mentally sound before you buy. There’s some basic … You shouldn’t be able to be-

Peter Mougey: Criteria to go buy a gun.

Mike Papantonio: 15 years old and go buy a gun. Common sense. But ThinkProgress, they put together a really good list that you can go look at and you can say, “These are corporations that are so tied with the hip to what the NRA’s doing, and I disagree with what the NRA’s doing on these things.” And you make the decision, I don’t want to do business with those corporations. I think it’s extremely important that those types of things, that social media gets those kinds of things out. Can you imagine corporate media trying to accomplish that?

Peter Mougey: No, absolutely not, and I hope Delta gets a surge in profits for taking a stand, and it backfires on him.

Mike Papantonio: My take is that’s exactly what’s gonna happen. Yeah, the momentum right now that’s picked up with people saying, “Enough is enough.” The only problem is, you actually don’t have legislators around. Just so few of them have any courage whatsoever. That’s showing through here. This is such a critically important … The legislators in Florida, they’re running for the hills. There’s no discussion about it, Republicans aren’t talking about it. When democrats talk about it, they sound stupid in the way that they talk about it. There’s some very serious things that can be done.

Peter Mougey: Easy.

Mike Papantonio: How about requiring insurance, when somebody has a gun. The insurance covers the person with the use of that gun, ’cause that will close things down twice as fast ’cause insurance companies, they’re not gonna let a lot get by them.

Mike Papantonio is an American attorney and television and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of the few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame. He hosts the international television show "America's Lawyer"; and co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder.