Thom sits down with Richard Mack talks about where power and authority really lies (or should) in the United States, as well as what the scope of agencies such as the FDA should be. And does Betsy DeVos have her own SWAT unit now?

Richard Mack is Founder – The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and former Sheriff of Graham County, Arizona.

Thom is a four-time Project Censored-award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. His national daily progressive radio talk show is distributed to radio stations nationwide by Westwood One, Pacifica, and Free Speech TV. More people listen daily to the Thom Hartmann Program than any other progressive talk show in the nation.