Thom talks about the Vice Presidential debate and asks whether Mike Pence is already running for the role of president because he thinks Donald Trump is going to lose.

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Thom is a four-time Project Censored-award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. His national daily progressive radio talk show is distributed to radio stations nationwide by Westwood One, Pacifica, and Free Speech TV. More people listen daily to the Thom Hartmann Program than any other progressive talk show in the nation.