Thom Hartmann speaks with Chauncey DeVega, political essayist & Commentator, about 4th Generation Warfare, racism, and the rise of Donald Trump.

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Thom is a four-time Project Censored-award-winning, New York Times best-selling author. His national daily progressive radio talk show is distributed to radio stations nationwide by Westwood One, Pacifica, and Free Speech TV. More people listen daily to the Thom Hartmann Program than any other progressive talk show in the nation.