MSNBC brought on a spokesman of sorts for South Carolina evangelicals to discuss Ted Cruz’s religious affiliations and what effect that might have on his presidency.

Cruz Campaign Chairman and Pastor Mike Gonzalez spoke about Cruz’s strong evangelical roots and how he will bring his religious values to the forefront of his policy-making and governing.

“This idea of a separation of church and state is a myth,”

said Gonzalez, despite the fact that it absolutely is not. He got a bit of push-back from host Joy Reid who reminded Gonzalez just how non-mythical the separation really is.

“The separation of church and state is in fact not a myth, it’s actually a constitutional fact. It’s a part of our constitutional makeup.”

Gonzalez doubled down on his stance on Cruz, saying that for his candidate, there is no separating government and faith.

“You can’t separate ’em.”

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Sydney Robinson is a political writer for the Ring of Fire Network. She has also appeared in political news videos for Ring of Fire. Sydney has a degree in English Literature from the University of West Florida, and has an active interest in politics, social justice, and environmental issues. She would love to hear from you on Twitter @SydneyMkay or via email at srobinson@ringoffireradio.com