Jorge Ramos, of recent fame for standing up strongly against Donald Trump, went up against one of Trump’s biggest cheerleaders, Bill O’Reilly, on Wednesday to talk about immigration. O’Reilly tried to claim that Ramos is too personally invested in immigration issues to objectively covering them.

“How can you possibly cover immigration fairly when you’re an activist, you’re a proponent of allowing them amnesty?” O’Reilly asked. “How can you possibly cover the story? You should excuse yourself from it, or recuse yourself from it. Or become like me – a commentator.”

“I’m just a reporter asking questions,” Ramos answered. “Mr. O’Reilly, I don’t think you are the right person to lecture me on advocacy and journalism when you spend most of your program giving opinions without asking questions. I can be tough with President Barack Obama, and I can be tough with Donald Trump.”

“I’m a commentator – that’s what I do,” O’Reilly responded. “Why don’t you just become like me, a commentator? You’re not a newsman anymore, you’re an advocate now.”

“I am simply reporting, asking questions,” said Ramos. “Sometimes as a reporter, you have to take a stand. When it comes to racism, discrimination, corruption, public lies, dictatorships, and human rights, you have to take a stand.”

Watch the exchange below.